100nl: BB special, flop trips, get raised by TAG

[ActionStan]

What sort of bet are you planning on calling on the turn? Seems like that is the critical decision point. If we call a PSB on the turn and we check the river? How are we not going to end up all-in on the river with a hand we hate? If we call a 1/2 pot bet and check the river we are pretty much committed to calling another 1/2-2/3 pot value bet on the end.

I think I like a flop flat call and leading the turn for $18 or so and folding to a shove plays better here. No?

[GiantBuddha]

You're usually going to be ahead here, but extracting when you're ahead will be difficult, and losing a lot when you're behind will be easy.

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Given his numbers, he could have an overpair here. 88, 99, maybe even TT. Or he could have 55.

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Yeah, that. 60 hands isn't a lot, but 14/5 isn't really TAG, it's nit. Or TiP. This really looks like an overpair/underpair(66) trying to define itself.

Raising probably folds out all hands you're ahead of, but by flat calling, there's a ton of bad turn cards against a small overpair, namely an overcard to that overpair, killing your action. You'll probably get a little value on the river if you play it this way and he indeed has an overpair.

[Makonnen]

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I think I like a flop flat call and leading the turn for $18 or so and folding to a shove plays better here.

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Me, too. Why do people thing c/c > b/f on the turn?

[Mr. Pozzer]

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I think I like a flop flat call and leading the turn for $18 or so and folding to a shove plays better here.

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Me, too. Why do people thing c/c > b/f on the turn?

[/ QUOTE ]because you fold hands you're beating alot of the time.

[machine]

B/F turns your hand into a bluff

[ActionStan]

What's shoving on you that you beat? Maybe JJ? It seems that if an A-J comes on the turn and the villain is still willing to shove on us, then we beat very little. Maybe we get bluffed once in a while, but that seems to be a better balance than check/call turn, check/call river where we call off 1/2 of our chips hopelessly behind. Do you disagree? Do you think that the villain will value bet a lesser hand on the end enough to make our call worth it?

The pot will be $20 on the turn. Check/call $15 leaves a $50 pot with $70 or so behind. Check the river and villain bets $25-30, can we fold? Unless we plan to fold to a bet on the river, it seems to me that the check call line has us paying off the villain a lot.