STTF SNG->cash thread

[microbet]

Karp, I like the way you played the hand fine. He underbet the turn and gave you odds to call for sure. I don't think he calls a huge river bet if you hit the spade, but big enough that the call is profitable.

His numbers aren't crazy so he might be able to fold an overpair to enough pressure, plus you might hit - and Manchild was talking about bluffing, so I was wondering what might happen if he made a bigger bet on the turn.

I also changed the suit of the turn to make for more scare cards on the river.

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23/4/1 so far mini 3bets have been TT+. Though he always mini 3bets so there might be some other hands in his range aswell.



Seat 1: SKYLARKNOC ( $74.30 )
Seat 3: aasboe ( $51.55 )
Seat 6: Momp ( $48.40 )
Seat 8: MsHollyGolightly ( $49.25 )
Seat 10: Firetribe ( $77.74 )
aasboe posts Small Blind $0.25
Momp posts Big Blind $0.50

Dealing cards
Your cards K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [Firetribe]
MsHollyGolightly folds
Firetribe raises $1.75
SKYLARKNOC raises $3
aasboe folds
Momp calls $2.50
Firetribe calls $1.25

Dealing Flop 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Momp checks
Firetribe checks
SKYLARKNOC bets $7
Momp folds
Firetribe calls $7

Dealing Turn 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Firetribe checks
SKYLARKNOC bets $20
Firetribe calls $20

Dealing River 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Firetribe ?


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Against this opponent can you call this turn and then push any diamond or card that hits a straight (or maybe any card at all) or value bet a spade?

The bluff by itself might be a little unprofitable and chasing by itself might be a little unprofitable, but could they be profitable when put together?

[The Yugoslavian]

micro,

Seems like it might be thin unless you think this is the right opponent to do so vs. Seems Karp is calling down b/c villian has a calling river hand a large % of the time. I doubt this type of villian folds diamond rivers or str8 rivers, just perhaps spade rivers....and this kills the value of your line.

I do think it can work vs. a type of opponent that you think is capable of folding to strength on the river.

Yugoslav

[microbet]

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micro,

Seems like it might be thin unless you think this is the right opponent to do so vs. Seems Karp is calling down b/c villian has a calling river hand a large % of the time. I doubt this type of villian folds diamond rivers or str8 rivers, just perhaps spade rivers....and this kills the value of your line.

I do think it can work vs. a type of opponent that you think is capable of folding to strength on the river.

Yugoslav

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You're probably right. Villian is a little passive and his betting probably means too strong of a hand to fold. I wouldn't really try to bluff someone off of an overpair, though I probably don't bluff enough in general. Still, under this scenerio he doesn't have to fold to the bluff a huge percentage of the time and 23/4 is somewhere near a thinking player and maybe even a little bit of a scared player. And, it's hard in general to get and use a read that people fold decent hands to big bets, cause they don't necessarily do it the second time.

[STALLOWN3D]

K, so I only called pf because I had reraised him 3 out of the last 4 times and I didn't want to make it such a big pot if he was going to stick around, plus I felt I could get him to do a lot of betting if an A or Q flopped.

So do I bet this river?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($4.85)
Button ($47.15)
SB ($8)
Hero ($43.30)
UTG ($26.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $1.75</font>, Hero calls $1.75.

Turn: ($5.60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $6.5</font>, Hero calls $6.50.

River: ($18.60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ???

I know I should've raised at some point, probably the turn, but I don't have that big of a set yet [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[STALLOWN3D]

K, another bet the river question.

I had just bluffed off a decent amount to this guy when he cold called AK and I bet every single street.

I didn't bet the river here cause he had just seen me bet with absolutely nothing so if he did make the flush he'd be better off letting me bluff once more than him trying to figure out if I can call a bet by him or not.

So bet? check?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($32.70)
UTG ($10.40)
Hero ($38.55)
Button ($24.20)
SB ($19.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($3.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, BB calls $3, UTG folds.

Turn: ($9.85) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, BB calls $7.

River: ($23.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

[The Yugoslavian]

stallown3d,

1st hand, raising at any point is solid for value. B/c you don't have impetus any bet out of turn will raise alarms but, whatever, def bet this for value. The board is crap so if he raises you allin or whatever you can fold.

2nd hand, ummmm, why aren't you betting river? What's his range? If he's seen you get to the river with nothing it opens up his range and he can have many kings, aces, or pps. Get value out of them with whatever kind of betting pattern you used previously with nothing.

Yugoslav

[microbet]

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K, another bet the river question.

I had just bluffed off a decent amount to this guy when he cold called AK and I bet every single street.

I didn't bet the river here cause he had just seen me bet with absolutely nothing so if he did make the flush he'd be better off letting me bluff once more than him trying to figure out if I can call a bet by him or not.

So bet? check?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($32.70)
UTG ($10.40)
Hero ($38.55)
Button ($24.20)
SB ($19.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($3.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, BB calls $3, UTG folds.

Turn: ($9.85) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, BB calls $7.

River: ($23.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

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Start singing I shot the sheriff and push the river.

Also, you can probably make it full pot on flop and turn vs. this guy.

[STALLOWN3D]

Sounds good.

One of my biggest problems in my cash game is missing value on the turn and river. Thanks for the input.

[futuredoc85]

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K, another bet the river question.

I had just bluffed off a decent amount to this guy when he cold called AK and I bet every single street.

I didn't bet the river here cause he had just seen me bet with absolutely nothing so if he did make the flush he'd be better off letting me bluff once more than him trying to figure out if I can call a bet by him or not.

So bet? check?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($32.70)
UTG ($10.40)
Hero ($38.55)
Button ($24.20)
SB ($19.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($3.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, BB calls $3, UTG folds.

Turn: ($9.85) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, BB calls $7.

River: ($23.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

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[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] you have top set go all in plz. fwiw at these stakes he's not thinking that deeply, and if he is he will know that you're checking behind w/ a lot of hands that can call a bet and he'd valuebet his flush.

[cakewalk]

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $99.00
BB: $103.60
UTG: $179.30
Hero (BTN): $119.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q A (4 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.00</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $8.00

Flop: ($25.50) A J 2 (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $18.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $167.30</font>, Hero ?

i just sat down at beginning of session