Now Iran?!?!

[Leaky Eye]

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and you dont think we can take them out with minimal loss?

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They do have state of the art 80s Russian weaponry.

[CallMeIshmael]

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Because thats not an argument unless you can prove that its "wrong", which you can't since "wrong" is subjective.

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I dont disagree with the premise, that 'wrong' is a subjective term, and thus any claim that something is wrong is unprovable.

However, the leap in logic you make from this premise to "thats not an argument because you cant prove it" is just silly. If Euclid couldnt get through the basics of lines without a ton of unprovable assumptions, then political discussion would be pointless if "you cant prove it" were a valid reason to conclude "therefore its not an argument." Every political argument since the beginning of the time has rested on unprovable assumptions.


Also, an 'argument' is, by its nature, going to be unprovable. If it werent, we wouldnt call it 'argument', it would be called 'fact'.

[Jeffiner99]

Now Iran, and then the draft. Two very important articles here:
http://www.gambling911.com/Ron-Paul-...ng-081507.html
http://www.gambling911.com/Ron-Paul-Draft-081207.html

Christ, I hope the country makes the right choice or we are doomed.

[sebbb]

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Designating the most professional and well trained segment of their armed forces as a "terroist orginazation" is approaching absolute ludicrousity.

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I totally agree here. This is so ridiculous that it made me laugh. Seems like everyone the american government doesn't like is a terrorist. How can the war against "terrorism" have any credibility after that?

[Kaj]

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and you dont think we can take them out with minimal loss?

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They do have state of the art 80s American (and others) weaponry.

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FYP.


American-made Hawk missiles


American-made F-14


American-made F-4


American-made F-5


American-made P-3 maritime patrol


American-made TOW anti-tank missiles


Amewrican-made AH-1G attack helos

Other not shown: C-130, VIP 707/747 transports, S-61 and H-53 naval helicopters, M-60 tanks, M-113 armored personnel carriers, numerous airlift helos, etc.

[Leaky Eye]

Yea they have those too. Way to make my mockery of their technology political. What forum is this anyway?

[Kaj]

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Yea they have those too. Way to make my mockery of their technology political. What forum is this anyway?

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It's alright. I could have made your mockery itself political but chose not to. After all, since we as American taxpayers are paying 46% of total military spending in the entire world, the joke is on us.

[Leaky Eye]

It wasn't political. There are a whole lot of reasons bombing Iran is probably a terrible idea. I was just mocking the notion that the Iranian defense forces stopping us was one of them.

[bobman0330]

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It wasn't political. There are a whole lot of reasons bombing Iran is probably a terrible idea. I was just mocking the notion that the Iranian defense forces stopping us was one of them.

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This might not be entirely true. Iran has a much more dangerous military than Iraq did, and the US would struggle mightily to find local bases from which to launch an attack against Iran. If the US has to fight the entire Iranian armed forces from a few carriers in the Persian Gulf, expect it to be pretty bad.

[Kaj]

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...and the US would struggle mightily to find local bases from which to launch an attack against Iran.

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You are aware that the US military has bases on both sides of Iran in Iraq and Afghanistan? How can you get more local than both of Iran's neighbors?