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Old 08-14-2007, 11:27 AM
DonkeyChip DonkeyChip is offline
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Default Re: NL25 - SPR in action?

So if I let him do all the betting...do we get all-in? And if we do get all-in...is most of it going in on the river...after I've put a bunch of chips in and several scary cards have come out? I guess the 'let him have the lead throughout the hand' line didn't occur to be that great because I'm oop.

For instance, if I just check/call the flop the pot is just under $6 and I'll have $12.50 left. Then when I check the turn he could see the river for free...just seems like I'm letting him off too easy. Once I decided to go with it I kinda just wanted the money in ASAP.

Thanks for the responses. FWIW, I'm not trying to be defensive or anything like that (not sure how my tone is coming across)...just that I think it's important that I understand some of the finer details of what is being suggested.
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Old 08-14-2007, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: NL25 - SPR in action?

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Then when I check the turn he could see the river for free...just seems like I'm letting him off too easy.

[/ QUOTE ]If he checks behind on the turn, you can value bet the river. Free cards are not going to be too big a deal on this dry flop. And yeah, you don't get his entire stack there, but you are still getting value. Just because you are committed doesn't mean that he is.

FWIW, I probably call the flop and then crai the turn, just because at that point all the chips are committed and he'll stack off there with a baby ace. My main concern is on the flop, where a c/r by you will get rid of most of his bluffing hands, which are the hands that make AT profitable against him in the first place.
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Old 08-14-2007, 11:40 AM
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Then when I check the turn he could see the river for free...just seems like I'm letting him off too easy.

[/ QUOTE ]If he checks behind on the turn, you can value bet the river. Free cards are not going to be too big a deal on this dry flop. And yeah, you don't get his entire stack there, but you are still getting value. Just because you are committed doesn't mean that he is.

FWIW, I probably call the flop and then crai the turn, just because at that point all the chips are committed and he'll stack off there with a baby ace. My main concern is on the flop, where a c/r by you will get rid of most of his bluffing hands, which are the hands that make AT profitable against him in the first place.

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It is fun how many different angles you can look at the same problem. What you are essentially doing is encouraging him to make a bigger mistake than you. You are winning the battle of mistakes and you are adjusting to players. Mmmmmm good poker.

Edit: I add this because sometimes it helps me to turn around and think about the macro while I am thinking about the micro. Metaphorically speaking it is a lot like an artists stepping back and looking at the painting. When you are in a hand sometimes it is easy to get wrapped up and not see the big picture.
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