****OFFICIAL BONDS USED STEROIDS THREAD*********

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If steroids were available to this magnitude fifty years ago, we'd have had the same problem with them with some of the most famous names in history.


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cmon Jack. cheaters cheat. a stand-up guy back then would not have used roids, just as stand-up guys now don't.

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My guess is, if we had a urine sample from all of the players that played during the 50's and 60's, a much higher % would test positive for steroids than you think.

Whoever said poor Roger Maris, he lost his homerun record to a guy that took steroids, I've got some news for you. It is was rumored at the time that Maris broke the record that he took steroids. It didn't get as much press because, much like in 1988 when Canseco was rumored to juice steroids was not a hot button issue.

By your method, how on earth would you know who is a stand up guy? You just think the guys from the 50's and 60's are more stand up because there wasn't as much media to vilify them. If anything, I'd say the player of today is much more "stand up" than the players of yesteryear simply because they have to be.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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If steroids were available to this magnitude fifty years ago, we'd have had the same problem with them with some of the most famous names in history.


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cmon Jack. cheaters cheat. a stand-up guy back then would not have used roids, just as stand-up guys now don't.

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My guess is, if we had a urine sample from all of the players that played during the 50's and 60's, a much higher % would test positive for steroids than you think.

Whoever said poor Roger Maris, he lost his homerun record to a guy that took steroids, I've got some news for you. It is was rumored at the time that Maris broke the record that he took steroids. It didn't get as much press because, much like in 1988 when Canseco was rumored to juice steroids was not a hot button issue.

By your method, how on earth would you know who is a stand up guy? You just think the guys from the 50's and 60's are more stand up because there wasn't as much media to vilify them. If anything, I'd say the player of today is much more "stand up" than the players of yesteryear simply because they have to be.

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There is substanstial evidence that Barry Bonds went to obscene lengths to cheat. to assume that "many famous guys from back in the day" would have done the same, as Jack did, is riduculous.

1. b/c you don't know if they would have, and you can't presume guilt
2. b/c it doesn't matter if they did or didn't cheat. it doesn't make what Barry Bonds did any better or worse. either way, he's a scumbag.

also, he's a racist [censored], and it makes me happy to see all the hate he is getting

[The X-Factor]

I'm sorry but this is all he-said she-said bull [censored]!

[Jack of Arcades]

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If steroids were available to this magnitude fifty years ago, we'd have had the same problem with them with some of the most famous names in history.


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cmon Jack. cheaters cheat. a stand-up guy back then would not have used roids, just as stand-up guys now don't.

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My guess is, if we had a urine sample from all of the players that played during the 50's and 60's, a much higher % would test positive for steroids than you think.

Whoever said poor Roger Maris, he lost his homerun record to a guy that took steroids, I've got some news for you. It is was rumored at the time that Maris broke the record that he took steroids. It didn't get as much press because, much like in 1988 when Canseco was rumored to juice steroids was not a hot button issue.

By your method, how on earth would you know who is a stand up guy? You just think the guys from the 50's and 60's are more stand up because there wasn't as much media to vilify them. If anything, I'd say the player of today is much more "stand up" than the players of yesteryear simply because they have to be.

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There is substanstial evidence that Barry Bonds went to obscene lengths to cheat. to assume that "many famous guys from back in the day" would have done the same, as Jack did, is riduculous.

1. b/c you don't know if they would have, and you can't presume guilt
2. b/c it doesn't matter if they did or didn't cheat. it doesn't make what Barry Bonds did any better or worse. either way, he's a scumbag.

also, he's a racist [censored], and it makes me happy to see all the hate he is getting

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Read Ball Four where Jim Bouton openly discusses the use of greenies (or "ability pills") and theoretical PEDs that most of the players he talked to said they would take.

This isn't about Bonds. This is about the ultra-competitive nature of sports, especially when you're talking about the top guys. It's very hard to make it to the top of a sport without being very competitive. At that point you're either cheating (bonds, mcgwire, sosa) or gambling (rose, jordan, gretzky).

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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Read Ball Four where Jim Bouton openly discusses the use of greenies (or "ability pills") and theoretical PEDs that most of the players he talked to said they would take.


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a huge number of baseball players were taking greenies back then. what Bonds did w/ steroids went far beyond what most other players were doing. You can't just lump the 2 things into the same category. and again, you can't just deal in hypotheticals, and assign guilt where none is due, to explain away what Bonds did.

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This isn't about Bonds. This is about the ultra-competitive nature of sports, especially when you're talking about the top guys. It's very hard to make it to the top of a sport without being very competitive. At that point you're either cheating (bonds, mcgwire, sosa) or gambling (rose, jordan, gretzky).

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This is the "***OFFICIAL BONDS USED STEROIDS THREAD***", so I do think it's about Bonds. I don't see how this story is really about how "you need to be competive to succeed". While I agree with this general statement, it really is a tangential issue here. So what if all guys are competitive? Does that make it ok for them to go to extraordinary lengths to cheat, and then lie about it in a federal grand jury? This extraordinary effort that Barry Bonds went through to use and conceal his use - far beyond what 99% of other athletes go to - is the story here.