Professional No-Limit Hold 'em Volume 1 Review Thread

[Birdnals]

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5 10, 2000 deep, 6 max online game, you hold kk on the button. utg opens for 40, co raises to 140, you make it 350. good player in the bb cold calls. both others fold. flop t83. he checks. you bet and he raises. folding has to be considered a viable option here whether or not you en dup folding, even tho this book reccomends never folding here.

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The point of the book though is to avoit these situation. After the preflop betting you have put more than %10 of your stack in. The book points out, that at this moment, you want to make a decision to commit to the pot or not. If you want to play a big pot at this point, then yes go ahead and bet. But who wants to play a big pot with one pair? If you don't want to commit your chips, then perhaps keeping the pot small and checking is your best option. Regardless, the book would advise making a commitment plan after the flop. In the situation you mentioned, the player with KK committed, which may not be the most advisabl play.

[pig4bill]

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5 10, 2000 deep, 6 max online game, you hold kk on the button. utg opens for 40, co raises to 140, you make it 350. good player in the bb cold calls. both others fold. flop t83. he checks. you bet and he raises. folding has to be considered a viable option here whether or not you en dup folding, even tho this book reccomends never folding here.

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The point of the book though is to avoit these situation. After the preflop betting you have put more than %10 of your stack in. The book points out, that at this moment, you want to make a decision to commit to the pot or not. If you want to play a big pot at this point, then yes go ahead and bet. But who wants to play a big pot with one pair? If you don't want to commit your chips, then perhaps keeping the pot small and checking is your best option.

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So you'd give your opponent a free card? Do good players really play this way?

[ryanj247]

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5 10, 2000 deep, 6 max online game, you hold kk on the button. utg opens for 40, co raises to 140, you make it 350. good player in the bb cold calls. both others fold. flop t83. he checks. you bet and he raises. folding has to be considered a viable option here whether or not you en dup folding, even tho this book reccomends never folding here.

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The point of the book though is to avoit these situation. After the preflop betting you have put more than %10 of your stack in. The book points out, that at this moment, you want to make a decision to commit to the pot or not. If you want to play a big pot at this point, then yes go ahead and bet. But who wants to play a big pot with one pair? If you don't want to commit your chips, then perhaps keeping the pot small and checking is your best option.

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So you'd give your opponent a free card? Do good players really play this way?

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give my opponent a free card to what? 2 outs? 3 outs?

do you really think that protecting vs that kind of draw is such an overwhelmingly important priority that it will always take precendence over keeping the pot size manageable w/ one pair vs a tough opponent?

yes, good players play this way...

[Matt Flynn]

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5 10, 2000 deep, 6 max online game, you hold kk on the button. utg opens for 40, co raises to 140, you make it 350. good player in the bb cold calls. both others fold. flop t83. he checks. you bet and he raises. folding has to be considered a viable option here whether or not you en dup folding, even tho this book reccomends never folding here.

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The point of the book though is to avoit these situation. After the preflop betting you have put more than %10 of your stack in. The book points out, that at this moment, you want to make a decision to commit to the pot or not. If you want to play a big pot at this point, then yes go ahead and bet. But who wants to play a big pot with one pair? If you don't want to commit your chips, then perhaps keeping the pot small and checking is your best option.

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So you'd give your opponent a free card? Do good players really play this way?

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i don't play hands this way. i wouldn't build an $885 preflop pot and an SPR < 2 heads-up to lay down kings as an overpair on an uncoordinated board unless that cold-caller's range is AA/KK or maybe AA/KK/QQ preflop OR that raise means i'm probably drawing to two outs. remember, SPR is the battle plan. sometimes the plan meets the battlefield and dies. new information can override your preflop SPR strategy / commitment decisions. if that raise means huge hand then you do indeed fold after putting half your chips in.

but you better be right.

as to my play, i might check to let him fire, or bet small to encourage him, but betting $600 then folding would only happen if i was really sure i was beat (it has to be > than pot odds b/c sometimes you will suck out even if beaten).

most often i might bet $400 because that gets into people's heads and matches a strategy of always using half-pot continuation bets, but the intent would still be to get the chips in.