Does "advanced play" work at the micro-limits?

[BotMcBotFace]

Thanks for your opinion here.

[stussy2k]

People that play micros don't like advanced play. Unfortunately, your Absolute Poker hand was absolute crap. I can tell you're a no limit player, or used to be, because you're just spewing chips left and right. Why cold call a raise with KJ offsuit (see pg 257 SSHE the FIRST HAND), heads up against a known TAG? Why "call[ing] this "solid player" with intention to bluff unless i flopped a monster"? It's stupid, and it's plays like that which make 2+2ers play micos profitably.

[PJM1206]

let me restate: What I dont mean by "fancy play" are things like: Raising for free card, blind stealing, check raising to protect your hand or betting into the raiser to limit the filed. I do do mean by fancy play(s) are out right plays that are pure bluffs only. Here is an example of what I am talking about flop has AA3 you raise and or rearaise with nada based on your read of opponent. I think the other things are all valid. Hopefull this makes my comment clearer

[BotMcBotFace]

Thanks, but you really missed the point. I am not a player who contributes to your winning, this is an absolute truth.

[BotMcBotFace]

I understand. These plays you speak of are very fundamental to the game. I am talking about exploiting good players because they are good. Taking advatage of the fact that they are tight. I know that a good player will catch on to this quickly but changing gears is a huge aspect of profitable poker. Therefore, is there money to be made by "outplaying" those of who are raking in the dead money? Or is this a waste of time?

[BotMcBotFace]

This is a post that I replied to earlier, but it deals with the origonal question. "I understand. These plays you speak of are very fundamental to the game. I am talking about exploiting good players because they are good. Taking advatage of the fact that they are tight. I know that a good player will catch on to this quickly but changing gears is a huge aspect of profitable poker. Therefore, is there money to be made by "outplaying" those of who are raking in the dead money? Or is this a waste of time? "

[PJM1206]

here is the dilema...... I dont think you see enough of the online opponents to make these judgements and plays. I think you have a better chance of being successfull by "really" knowing the player and have live face to face poker otherwise I think it is for not

[MrWookie]

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This is a post that I replied to earlier, but it deals with the origonal question. "I understand. These plays you speak of are very fundamental to the game. I am talking about exploiting good players because they are good. Taking advatage of the fact that they are tight. I know that a good player will catch on to this quickly but changing gears is a huge aspect of profitable poker. Therefore, is there money to be made by "outplaying" those of who are raking in the dead money? Or is this a waste of time? "

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The thing you have to realize is that 95% or more of your money comes from bad players, not good players. There's a good reason why the straight forward plays are used so much: they make lots of money from bad players. Furthermore, if you make a tricky play in a multiway pot, the money you make from a good player by being tricky is often small compared to the money you could have made from a bad player by being straight forward.

[stussy2k]

It's hard to face it some times. I suggest you keep reloading.

[OrianasDaad]

It's rare that I will bluff reraise or check-raise bluff (not a semi-bluff, mind you).

With some VERY good reads, I might be able to win an extra BB or two over the course of many hundreds of hands.

Generally, it's not worth it.

Look at the opposite. Let's say that you folded a royal flush every time you got one. It wouldn't be a very bad mistake since the opportunity doesn't come around that often.

There just aren't enough chances to use super-fancy plays at the micro-limits. Most of these tight players have other habitual leaks that can be exploited without resorting to fancy-playing anyway.

That's not to say that there's no value in learning when these types of plays will work, and learning how to use them may increase your skill in the game overall.