200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

[Woolygimp]

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Never work at FR? This was a heads up pot, and it doesn't matter if there were 10 or 6 players preflop.

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I don't agree with this at all.

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The only relevance is that there was a higher chance that someone had AA, KK, QQ, JJ, or 37o preflop. There's more players, and more players = more hands.

As long as you don't put villain on AA, then there's no relevance. If you had the best hand PF, then you likely have the best hand on the flop and turn.

Please explain why you do not agree.

[twoblacknines]

Woolygimp,

I advocated earlier in the thread betting the turn. If we bet the turn strong and he raises we can safely lay this down I assume? If he just calls and the river comes with the club do we check fold? I really feel this guy has AK clubs and decided to peel the flop. Thanks for any opinions. Oh can you also look at the hand I posted "3/6 nl ak scary flop" I would like to hear your analysis.

[mce86]

If we looked at this hand from Villians POV, couldnt this be the perfect river card to semi-bluff on?

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If we looked at this hand from Villians POV, couldnt this be the perfect river card to semi-bluff on?

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LOL how does one "semi-bluff" on the river?

I know you just meant "bluff" but it's funny.

[twoblacknines]

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If we looked at this hand from Villians POV, couldnt this be the perfect river card to semi-bluff on?

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LOL how does one "semi-bluff" on the river?
I know you just meant "bluff" but it's funny.

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What I was about to type...if he was going to semi-bluff it would be on turn with the club outs. But if I was villain I would sense a checkraise coming and not want to get blown off my hand. If we make a large bet on the turn and he calls I really don't think he bluffs river..It would require a very large bet from him. If river bricks I think it's an easy check-call.

[mce86]

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If we looked at this hand from Villians POV, couldnt this be the perfect river card to semi-bluff on?

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LOL how does one "semi-bluff" on the river?

I know you just meant "bluff" but it's funny.

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What I mean by seim-bluff is that he has a good but not great hand. He doesnt have the set of flush, and he is hoping if you maybe have him beat you fold, and if not he still is ahead. He did get KK outta there, and if he did have JJ or QQ then he did a great job. Maybe it was badly played aces as well, and hes trying to get you off a set by repping the flush card...if you call he hopes you have less than him. Million diff scenarios....

[Woolygimp]

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If we looked at this hand from Villians POV, couldnt this be the perfect river card to semi-bluff on?

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LOL how does one "semi-bluff" on the river?

I know you just meant "bluff" but it's funny.

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What I mean by seim-bluff is that he has a good but not great hand. He doesnt have the set of flush, and he is hoping if you maybe have him beat you fold, and if not he still is ahead. He did get KK outta there, and if he did have JJ or QQ then he did a great job. Maybe it was badly played aces as well, and hes trying to get you off a set by repping the flush card...if you call he hopes you have less than him. Million diff scenarios....

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This is a flush...almost...always.

[mce86]

I could see myself doing the same bet here on the river with QQ-KK. His bets were weak on the flop, and then he checked the turn. Id take the river as a poss. bluff, and since I had alot more than a bluff cather, I could make the case to raise. More likely to do it with QQ than AA IMO.
What is villian putting Hero on based on the way he played it? To me it looks like a complete miss, it certainly doesnt look like KK.

As a sidenote, i see points on both sides, I just dont see anyone pointing out what Villian's thought process is here other than hands he would play ABC and do this with.

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The only relevance is that there was a higher chance that someone had AA, KK, QQ, JJ, or 37o preflop....
As long as you don't put villain on AA, then there's no relevance.

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This is first level thinking. DUCY?

Ok, I'll elaborate. It's the very fact that KK/AA are out there more frequently that changes everything about how people play and value hands in full ring, whether they are holding AA/KK or not.