PS16- Terrible river card.

[ChipLeader]

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Checking this river is bad. Bet/fold the river.


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Why is checking bad?
You bet, he raises, now what? How much to bet, 300 again minimum i assume, leaving you 800 behind on a fold.

You bet, he folds. Youve gained nothing.

You check, you induce a bluff when he missed or even a value bet from a likely worse two pair.

You check, he bets and has a hand that beats yours- depending on bet size, you may have lost slightly more or the same as if youd bet and he raised.

I dont like a bet into on the river, i think hero is likely ahead here and villian has worse two pair or missed flush often enough to make call profitable.

[KoreanBuffet]

you bet the river to control the size of the pot. since you bet the turn he only raises hands that beat you here.

[kyro]

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you bet the river to control the size of the pot. since you bet the turn he only raises hands that beat you here.

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what?

[kyro]

I don't think checking the flop is terrible. I don't think checking the river is terrible, but you have to call this here.

[KoreanBuffet]

kyro, you bet the river the amount YOU want. If we are commited to check calling we could be facing an all in or a pot sized bet which would be bad. Here we can size the bet ourselves as to the appropriate value for our hand and what we are willing to give up should we be raised.

[kyro]

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kyro, you bet the river the amount YOU want. If we are commited to check calling we could be facing an all in or a pot sized bet which would be bad. Here we can size the bet ourselves as to the appropriate value for our hand and what we are willing to give up should we be raised.

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Oh you mean a blocking bet.

[ChipLeader]

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you bet the river to control the size of the pot. since you bet the turn he only raises hands that beat you here.

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Betting the river only gets you value in ONE way: if he has a hand he'd call with but wouldnt bet himself.

It loses value:
when he would have bluffed
when you are raised

You make more when he attempts a bluff that you pick off than when you bet and he calls with somethin he wouldnt bet. Factor that in with the fact that you have to fold at a -300 or -400 loss from your river bet when he raises and you have an easy check/call or check/fold. In this instance, i like check/call.

[KoreanBuffet]

Im advocating puting out a blocker bet here that keeps him from running a huge bluff for a large amount of chips that we cannot call. I think the blocker bet saves us a tough decision should he get ballsy, and saves us money on the check/call.

[ChipLeader]

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Im advocating puting out a blocker bet here that keeps him from running a huge bluff for a large amount of chips that we cannot call. I think the blocker bet saves us a tough decision should he get ballsy, and saves us money on the check/call.

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Blocker bet could work, but it also might end up costing us the much needed ~300 chips (1/4 our stack.) OP can decide the chance of success with such a bet and how comfortable he is playing with 800-900 chips here should it fail. PERSONALLY, i prefer to check/call, giving myself a chance to get a playable stack and i think he checks behind you often enough based on marginal hands he wouldnt call much on the river with and a missed draw.

Also, big river bet doesnt even have to be a bluff or monster. Could often enough be a lower two pair.

[sippin_criss]

I think the reason pudge said to bet river was to get value from worse, and villain almost never raises a worse hand. I obviously agree with pudge, and I play flop and turn the same as OP.