Taking a shot at the 200NL, I encounter...

[bilbo-san]

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Value-bluff?

Turn is definitely a check...and I probably fold a blank river. You really beat nothing.

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Except QQ, KK, Ax, etc, you mean, right?

[loosbastard]

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Value-bluff?

Turn is definitely a check...and I probably fold a blank river. You really beat nothing.

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Except QQ, KK, Ax, etc, you mean, right?

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And are any of those betting the river?

[bilbo-san]

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Value-bluff?

Turn is definitely a check...and I probably fold a blank river. You really beat nothing.

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Except QQ, KK, Ax, etc, you mean, right?

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And are any of those betting the river?

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What's your point? Tons of players will call the turn with all of them.

I was referring to "You beat nothing" comment, which, frankly, is just [censored] absurd. Dunno what games you play in but most 200nl players don't 3-bet just AK and AA.

[loosbastard]

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I was referring to "You beat nothing" comment, which, frankly, is just [censored] absurd. Dunno what games you play in but most 200nl players don't 3-bet just AK and AA.

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My "you beat nothing" comment was referring to if/when villain bets the river after hero checks the turn.

[loosbastard]

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What's your point? Tons of players will call the turn with all of them.

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Are you nuts? Even the biggest droolers sometimes get away from QQ/KK after getting called on an A-J-x flop. Most 200NL players aren't great, but they aren't [censored] retarded.

[chsiao]

As I was sliding the 'bet' bar over to the right after he checked, I was thinking "If he calls this I'm beat for sure." I then moved the mouse to the 'check' button, then I thought "what was the point of calling preflop with this hand?" Finally, I said [censored] it and bet. Of course SB snapcalled with JJ...

Back to the 100NL for awhile..Thank you for your input/help.

[FishSticks]

Bilbo -

I agree that if you want to fold this hand, you should just fold preflop. I do believe that folding preflop isn't that bad - villain is a total unknown and it's the 1st orbit. Even if he has a worse hand, you're generally going to win a smallish/medium pot or get stacked if you end up all in.

[loosbastard]

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Bilbo -

I agree that if you want to fold this hand, you should just fold preflop. I do believe that folding preflop isn't that bad - villain is a total unknown and it's the 1st orbit. Even if he has a worse hand, you're generally going to win a smallish/medium pot or get stacked if you end up all in.

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I also agree that folding is a perfectly fine play, but saying that we have to stack off every time we flop an A is just soooo wrong.

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What's your point? Tons of players will call the turn with all of them.

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Are you nuts? Even the biggest droolers sometimes get away from QQ/KK after getting called on an A-J-x flop. Most 200NL players aren't great, but they aren't [censored] retarded.

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This is just stupid.

By your logic you should be floating every RR pot with an A and pushing the turn if they check to you.

After all, only RETARDED people call here with KK, right?

Lol.

[Unknown Soldier]

bilbo im not sure if anyone else has pointed this out but AQ kinda sucks here, obv call flop and turn is a check, but stacking off is not a must against an unknown (although i probably still will because im a cs [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]). I'm not saying fold all A high boards but AJT? That's the worst board with an A on it for you