TPTK in 4-bet pot

[jessyj07]

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no heart no call

[/ QUOTE ]does this change if we flop an ace instead of king?

[losingdonkey]

no because if a heart comes you're done. besides, an overbet like this represents better than top pair most of the time.

[jessyj07]

[ QUOTE ]
no because if a heart comes you're done. besides, an overbet like this represents better than top pair most of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]it's not an overbet to me, pot is $36.50, I have $37.25.

[losingdonkey]

you have 13 hands on him, he is basically unknown to you - while maybe being a little loose. His 4bet preflop should narrow his range quite a bit, however. QQ-AA imo. If he shoves here with QQ, there's still a chance he's got a heart. This is not the greatest spot to get your money in.

[justhetip]

Anyone can do the odds on how we are against QQ with a heart? This seems like the most likely hand.
I guess losingdonkey is making that point that if we make his range of hands fairly tight, AA, AK, KK, and QQ, then the other three have us crushed, as another AK combination is likely to be on a freeroll.

[joelav128]

QQ with a heart is ~43% to win the pot. Against a range of QQ+ and AK (unlikely but possible) you have ~45% equity.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.710% 28.52% 17.19% 4518 2722.50 { AsKd }
Hand 1: 54.290% 37.10% 17.19% 5877 2722.50 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

[molotom]

I think we're behind his range here, but we are getting around 2:1 so we only need ~33% to call. 80/30 strongly points towards him being a donk, stats that bad are pretty damning even if it is only 12 hands. Therefore I'd call and gambool.

[Manchild84]

Villain in SB is playing a ton, and Min-3B.. therefore, fish. Fishes like the Min-3B AA, so you're probably against AA here. Maybe w/ a Heart.
But, QQ w/ a heart is likely as well. The min 3b just alsways seems to be AA.