last 4 in 20k tournament, facing push

[jman3232]

also, by folding there is a chance one of the others gets out before you go all in again, which alone is $500

[El Stuntman]

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also, by folding there is a chance one of the others gets out before you go all in again, which alone is $500

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the extra $500 is pretty irrelevant tbh

I'd like to get some workings on whether this is +EV and CEV based on the range I've assigned villain. My gut said 50/50 with 10k invested i.e. calling 70 to win 90 which made it a call

I'm primarily a cash player (usually only play live tournies) so would be interested to see if anyone could help me out on the maths

[JammyDodga]

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also, by folding there is a chance one of the others gets out before you go all in again, which alone is $500

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the extra $500 is pretty irrelevant tbh...

I'm primarily a cash player ....

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At this stage in the tourney you MUST be thinking about payouts, +EV in chips can very easily be -EV in dollers.

[El Stuntman]

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At this stage in the tourney you MUST be thinking about payouts, +EV in chips can very easily be -EV in dollers.

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lol, sorry I didn't want to give the impression I was some kind of eccentric millionaire who didn't care about money!

of course I cared about the money, my thinking was:

1. I need a double up, pronto
2. If I call and win, SB is eliminated. I will have 160k and a very good shot at taking the whole thing down.
3. We are so shallow that I genuinely may not find a better spot before my stack is decimated further
4. I believe I am in a 50/50 spot and am thus priced in favourably by my BB.

it's a very interesting spot - razor thin imo. I posted it on my usual poker forum and the responses were divided. The feedback here is also interesting in that no-one has said call yet.

I'm happy to be called a donkey for calling!

[registrar]

Is SB shoving any two here, top 80%, top 50%?

How light are the big stacks calling pushes?

[El Stuntman]

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Is SB shoving any two here, top 80%, top 50%?

How light are the big stacks calling pushes?

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top 50% imo

big stacks are calling very, very light (one of them got his big stack by calling a shove with K4 and flopping 2 fours, knocking out AA). I believe I am the best player at the table, although you may feel free to disagree! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[registrar]

I've changed my mind then. I'd probably call. If he's shoving top 50%, calling will be +cEV and, I would suggest, +$EV at a table where big stacks are calling that light. If calling ranges behind were two broadway, medium aces and 55+, which they often are, I think you can expect folding and open shoving lots to be more profitable but if you're getting snapped off, then get the money in now, when you can eliminate one player, move up the ladder and play poker three way, rather than fold, and try and double up a smaller stack with what sounds like no FE.