last 4 in 20k tournament, facing push

[El Stuntman]

point taken...but will there be a better time with only 7BBs left and 4-handed?

if I put his range as any ace, any king, possibly any queen and any suited connectors plus maybe a 10% chance of an overpair, is the call not +EV based on the 10k already in there?

[JammyDodga]

this might be very marginally +EV on this hand, but you've got to consider oppurtunity cost. If you fold you are going to have better oppurtunities to get you stack all in which have much greater +EV. In fact I'd rather be first in with ATC than call this here.

[jman3232]

The risk of eliminating yourself makes it -EV, IMO.

I think its better to push with any hand than call with 22. 70k in this scenario is not a very small amount.

[jman3232]

also, by folding there is a chance one of the others gets out before you go all in again, which alone is $500

[El Stuntman]

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also, by folding there is a chance one of the others gets out before you go all in again, which alone is $500

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the extra $500 is pretty irrelevant tbh

I'd like to get some workings on whether this is +EV and CEV based on the range I've assigned villain. My gut said 50/50 with 10k invested i.e. calling 70 to win 90 which made it a call

I'm primarily a cash player (usually only play live tournies) so would be interested to see if anyone could help me out on the maths

[JammyDodga]

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also, by folding there is a chance one of the others gets out before you go all in again, which alone is $500

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the extra $500 is pretty irrelevant tbh...

I'm primarily a cash player ....

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At this stage in the tourney you MUST be thinking about payouts, +EV in chips can very easily be -EV in dollers.

[El Stuntman]

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At this stage in the tourney you MUST be thinking about payouts, +EV in chips can very easily be -EV in dollers.

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lol, sorry I didn't want to give the impression I was some kind of eccentric millionaire who didn't care about money!

of course I cared about the money, my thinking was:

1. I need a double up, pronto
2. If I call and win, SB is eliminated. I will have 160k and a very good shot at taking the whole thing down.
3. We are so shallow that I genuinely may not find a better spot before my stack is decimated further
4. I believe I am in a 50/50 spot and am thus priced in favourably by my BB.

it's a very interesting spot - razor thin imo. I posted it on my usual poker forum and the responses were divided. The feedback here is also interesting in that no-one has said call yet.

I'm happy to be called a donkey for calling!

[registrar]

Is SB shoving any two here, top 80%, top 50%?

How light are the big stacks calling pushes?