Annie Duke Interview Controversy regarding Ladies WSOP event.

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I can't decide either way whether the women's event should be axed, it depends what will bring more tardnits to the table..
On one hand, by cancelling it, there is the opportunity to force these dense broads directly to the mixed events for some ez money. See FT of WSOP women's event..
On the other hand, over time we may attract a greater number of these weaker players to our tables if they prefer, at first, to play in the skill-less field that is the women's event and move up once the other women start telling them they play too loose.

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I can't decide either way whether the women's event should be axed, it depends what will bring more tardnits to the table..
On one hand, by cancelling it, there is the opportunity to force these dense broads directly to the mixed events for some ez money. See FT of WSOP women's event..
On the other hand, over time we may attract a greater number of these weaker players to our tables if they prefer, at first, to play in the skill-less field that is the women's event and move up once the other women start telling them they play too loose.

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i bet you think all black people commit crime and all southerners are stupid too.

also, the final table was filled with bad play not because they are women OBVIOUSLY, but because many of them have very little experience with tournament poker (or any poker for that matter). did all of you guys become good poker players overnight?

some of the comments made in this thread are incredibly offensive.

[Moose]

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I can't decide either way whether the women's event should be axed, it depends what will bring more tardnits to the table..
On one hand, by cancelling it, there is the opportunity to force these dense broads directly to the mixed events for some ez money. See FT of WSOP women's event..
On the other hand, over time we may attract a greater number of these weaker players to our tables if they prefer, at first, to play in the skill-less field that is the women's event and move up once the other women start telling them they play too loose.

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i bet you think all black people commit crime and all southerners are stupid too.

also, the final table was filled with bad play not because they are women OBVIOUSLY, but because many of them have very little experience with tournament poker (or any poker for that matter). did all of you guys become good poker players overnight?


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No, but "none of us guys" got to have a segregated tournament that would discriminate against 90% of the best players from entering and offend another 5% on top of that, all so that depraved marketers can use us as a fresh new face to market the game with. So by the time we were in the final table at a tournament with a four-digit buy in, most of us had quite a bit of experience. You know, because we had to work our way up FAIRLY to the top.

Semi-segregation by gender will almost guarantee weak play in the "ladies only" events for these reasons. It's similar to why the typical blackjack player is such an idiot -- anyone sufficiently skilled at the game winds up being barred, so the bell curve gets squished.

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some of the comments made in this thread are incredibly offensive.

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Well, they must be true, why else would women be given their own tournament? They must need it! <-- this is exactly the conclusion that will come in people's minds until such time as segregation in poker tournaments end.

[suzy89222]

i am not saying there should be a ladies event. that was not my point at all. i agree 100% that they should not exist.

[Moose]

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i am not saying there should be a ladies event. that was not my point at all. i agree 100% that they should not exist.

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And all I'm saying is that ignorant attitudes like the ones you decry will continue to exist for as long as WOEs exist, and the nature of the WOEs are such that they will continue to put negative lights on female poker players. But I'm glad to see you are among those who see the WoEs as a problem.

[suzy89222]

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i am not saying there should be a ladies event. that was not my point at all. i agree 100% that they should not exist.

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And all I'm saying is that ignorant attitudes like the ones you decry will continue to exist for as long as WOEs exist, and the nature of the WOEs are such that they will continue to put negative lights on female poker players. But I'm glad to see you are among those who see the WoEs as a problem.

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having said that, i do play in them (well only 2 so far). i guess my principles dont override my desire to play in a tournament with mostly inexperienced players.

[okterrific]

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some of the comments made in this thread are incredibly offensive.

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Yeah kind of like having an "X" only WSOP event that awards a bracelet.

Have the event but make it a non bracelet event and same goes for seniors event. If its not an open event then there should not be a bracelet awarded.

End of thread.

[Moose]

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some of the comments made in this thread are incredibly offensive.

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Yeah kind of like having an "X" only WSOP event that awards a bracelet.

Have the event but make it a non bracelet event and same goes for seniors event. If its not an open event then there should not be a bracelet awarded.

End of thread.

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But.. but.. how else are you going to be able to market a female champion? Isn't that more important than obtuse principles like fair competition, a level playing field, and actual equality between men and women in one of the very few spheres it can be achieved?

[ShakeZula06]

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But.. but.. how else are you going to be able to market a female champion? Isn't that more important than obtuse principles like fair competition, a level playing field, and actual equality between men and women in one of the very few spheres it can be achieved?

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You have that in the other fifty-odd events. Stop bitching and moaning about nothing.

[Moose]

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But.. but.. how else are you going to be able to market a female champion? Isn't that more important than obtuse principles like fair competition, a level playing field, and actual equality between men and women in one of the very few spheres it can be achieved?

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You have that in the other fifty-odd events. Stop bitching and moaning about nothing.

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So only 2% of the events spread a very derogatory message about the skill level of female events, so it's okay? Would it have been okay if only two percent of the buses in Alabama forced Negroes to the back? Right now, the actual, normalized "gender gap" in wages is probably 2%, should the feminists stop railing to remove it because it's only 2%

One segregated bracelet event is all it takes to spread the demeaning implication that females need segregated events because they cannot compete as equals. And that's one segregated event too many.