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Old 06-13-2007, 12:20 AM
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hand #1, as played I C/F with 4 hearts out there. I would have C/R the turn though.



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A C/R on the flop has made most single Ace of heart with/or without pair gone. I'm pretty sure his ranges have no AK. I don't see anything can stay except flush draw and possible 2pairs or complete air. However, once he bets the turn, I was 50%-50% about he has a made flush.

However, checking the river may induce a large bet from him that I can't call. Not sure if this is the best play, I bet 1600 on the river and he folds after a full 5 minutes.
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Old 06-13-2007, 03:39 AM
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hand #1, as played I C/F with 4 hearts out there. I would have C/R the turn though.



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A C/R on the flop has made most single Ace of heart with/or without pair gone. I'm pretty sure his ranges have no AK. I don't see anything can stay except flush draw and possible 2pairs or complete air. However, once he bets the turn, I was 50%-50% about he has a made flush.

However, checking the river may induce a large bet from him that I can't call. Not sure if this is the best play, I bet 1600 on the river and he folds after a full 5 minutes.

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Checking the river won't induce a bet from a worse hand just aboout ever. What hand did he call the flop with that he is now bluffing with? If he has a good K w/ no heart he's taking the free showdown.

Betting the river is an option to bluff him off the non-nuts.

In this spot I'd check and hope to win in the showodwn, however.
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Old 06-13-2007, 05:52 PM
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Hand 1 I think you played fine, fold the river. Tough to put him on anything but a king, a flush draw or maybe 34 unless your description as "loose" means really loose. I think C/Ring the turn is very bad since there's a good chance he checks a king behind on the turn and frequently bets a made flush. I think you have to fold the river, it seems too unlikely he'd call with nothing on the flop or turn a king with no heart into a bluff by the river. Only hands I could see doing this is A3, 34.

Hand 2 I think betting the flop is probably best, it might look like a steal, and someone might be slowplaying a 7 which could turn into an easy stacking on the flop but might lose action from if a spade or straight card comes. Usually someone with a spade draw is going to call anyway and going to find it that much harder to fold if they do chase and hit. On the turn you absolutely need to raise imo, even if button is showing an interest in calling, you need to build a bigger pot. I'd put in 1200 or so.
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Old 06-13-2007, 05:55 PM
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Hand 1 I would usually bet out the flop, but ok ofc checking is fine. If it gets checked through it should be very difficult to win a big pot against a now 2nd best hand.

Hand 2 I would definitely raise the turn.
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Old 06-13-2007, 07:54 PM
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For hand 1, Do we want a free showdown? Here's what I thought when betting the river - I can't beat most hands at the showdown while most hands can't call a large bet at the showdown either. (Villain knows if he calls and loses, he'd end up with 1400 chips and folding leaves him 3000). A bet also blocks a bluff. Not sure this is a logical thinking or not.


Villain had a table talk, he apologized for the long delay in action and said the river was a very bad card and said I must have Ace of heart. Anyway, whoever folded the Ace of heart at the table knew I din't have Ace of heart.


Hand 2, I agree - raise to 950 - 1100 to mess around is the best play.
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