Correct river decision after villian check behind...

[danzasmack]

I bet/call. Let him call with AJ/AK here. I don't buy a bluff from him either.

If he has diamonds, they're big ones. So I think he might bet them again on the turn.

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I bet/call. Let him call with AJ/AK here. I don't buy a bluff from him either.

If he has diamonds, they're big ones. So I think he might bet them again on the turn.

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I like this. I would never b/f in this spot against this guy but I think I wuzz out too much and c/c. Ty Danza!

[BrassMonkey]

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I bet/call. Let him call with AJ/AK here. I don't buy a bluff from him either.

If he has diamonds, they're big ones. So I think he might bet them again on the turn.

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I like this. I would never b/f in this spot against this guy but I think I wuzz out too much and c/c. Ty Danza!

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Okay, good, I b/c, but I thought it was probably wrong. Cool, thanks.

[milesdyson]

he raises worse hands on the river?

[CasqueNoir]

Ugh. Bad spot, but I think bet/call is the worst option unless the guy is a maniac or something. I like check/call > bet/fold > check/fold > bet/call.

What is that guy checking on the turn other than a big flush draw? Not much.

[mterry]

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What is that guy checking on the turn other than a big flush draw? Not much.

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99, JJ, AK without a fd. This looks like he's trying to showdown cheaply, while giving himself a free card to improve. Or, he is fps an overpair or ten and raising the river for value.

As stated earlier, he does bet his big flush draw here.

[danzasmack]

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he raises worse hands on the river?

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tbh i've thought about this a lot lately, making big river folds, and i think from a game theory POV, when you include pot odds, it's not really that important in online poker. Especially nowadays when there is a lot of metagame.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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I bet/call. Let him call with AJ/AK here. I don't buy a bluff from him either.

If he has diamonds, they're big ones. So I think he might bet them again on the turn.

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I like this. I would never b/f in this spot against this guy but I think I wuzz out too much and c/c. Ty Danza!

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Okay, good, I b/c, but I thought it was probably wrong. Cool, thanks.

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I think b/c is probably wrong Brass. For me this is either a B/F or C/C decision given that specific river card. If I dont trust this guy I check/call and let him bluff/bet with whatever hand he could have. Since I like showing down against most opponents, I am check/calling that specific river most of the time. Paying two bets on the river is too much here. In general, whenever someone runs the freecard play against you on a flush draw flop and the flush card hits the river, paying 2 bets on the river with one pair will be giving too much action. There are plenty of exceptions to this idea as there are exceptions to any strategy playing poker, but most of time you should be check/calling or bet/folding.

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I bet/call. Let him call with AJ/AK here. I don't buy a bluff from him either.

If he has diamonds, they're big ones. So I think he might bet them again on the turn.

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I like this. I would never b/f in this spot against this guy but I think I wuzz out too much and c/c. Ty Danza!

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Okay, good, I b/c, but I thought it was probably wrong. Cool, thanks.

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I think b/c is probably wrong Brass. For me this is either a B/F or C/C decision given that specific river card. If I dont trust this guy I check/call and let him bluff/bet with whatever hand he could have. Since I like showing down against most opponents, I am check/calling that specific river most of the time. Paying two bets on the river is too much here. In general, whenever someone runs the freecard play against you on a flush draw flop and the flush card hits the river, paying 2 bets on the river with one pair will be giving too much action. There are plenty of exceptions to this idea as there are exceptions to any strategy playing poker, but most of time you should be check/calling or bet/folding.

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ILP you are my Hero and I have learned so much from your posts the last 18 months.

But applying any strategy that involves folding in this spot with that action against a villain of that description is just plain horrible IMO.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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I bet/call. Let him call with AJ/AK here. I don't buy a bluff from him either.

If he has diamonds, they're big ones. So I think he might bet them again on the turn.

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I like this. I would never b/f in this spot against this guy but I think I wuzz out too much and c/c. Ty Danza!

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Okay, good, I b/c, but I thought it was probably wrong. Cool, thanks.

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I think b/c is probably wrong Brass. For me this is either a B/F or C/C decision given that specific river card. If I dont trust this guy I check/call and let him bluff/bet with whatever hand he could have. Since I like showing down against most opponents, I am check/calling that specific river most of the time. Paying two bets on the river is too much here. In general, whenever someone runs the freecard play against you on a flush draw flop and the flush card hits the river, paying 2 bets on the river with one pair will be giving too much action. There are plenty of exceptions to this idea as there are exceptions to any strategy playing poker, but most of time you should be check/calling or bet/folding.

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ILP you are my Hero and I have learned so much from your posts the last 18 months.

But applying any strategy that involves folding in this spot with that action against a villain of that description is just plain horrible IMO.

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I was speaking in general terms Oink, I would never bet/fold this guy in my life. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] My point is most of the time this should be a Bet/fold or Check/call decision for the hero, and against most players I would gladly check/call.