Ron Paul and the Singularity

[tomdemaine]

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Ok. But when you vote for Ron Paul, that X is your signature on the social contract that the statists keep going on about.

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No it's not.

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You're saying that certain forms of taxation are ok

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No you're not.

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you're saying that governments can do better than the market in some areas

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No again!

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you're saying that voting for the lesser of two evils is a worthwhile choice

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If the ldifference between evils is extreme enough, it is. Could you seriously not choose between say FDR and Hitler? I could easily choose FDR there and I think he was one of our worst presidents.

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and that democracy can work.

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Not really, but debatable.

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You're conceding the whole game

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This is backwards. The people who refuse to vote are the ones conceding the whole game.

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and giving up the only bargaining chip we have, the moral high ground

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Nope. Haven't given up the moral high ground. You only think this because you think voting means a lot more than it really does.

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for a fools hope that Ron Paul can somehow cause a change in the US

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He has a better chance than you.

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I don't understand how you're not saying democracy can work. You're voting for a guy because he achieves some of your goals through the system of taxation and the use of force. Thats exactly what every statist is doing you may have different goals but the principle is the same.

You're saying I support a man who supports taxation. How is that not a support for taxation?

I have the chance to convince people that aggression is wrong in all it's forms Ron Paul can never do that because he's advocated aggression. Who's got a better chance at changing the world for the better?

[Richard Tanner]

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Who's got a better chance at changing the world for the better?

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The man that can reach millions given our current media set-up? Sticking to your guns means little if no one can hear you.

Cody

[AlexM]

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I don't understand how you're not saying democracy can work.

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Depends on what you mean by "work."

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You're voting for a guy because he achieves some of your goals through the system of taxation and the use of force.

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No, I'm voting for a guy because he's going to hurt me a lot less than the other guy. My vote is purely self-defense.

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Thats exactly what every statist is doing you may have different goals but the principle is the same.

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No, statists vote to force their beliefs on others, not out of self-defense.

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You're saying I support a man who supports taxation. How is that not a support for taxation?

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I support you in your AC beliefs. Does that mean I support and agree with everything you say? Obviously not.

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I have the chance to convince people that aggression is wrong in all it's forms

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You do? How are you convincing people of this? Internet discussions where you, along with the combined efforts of several others might convince a dozen or so people over the course of your lifetime? LOL

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Ron Paul can never do that because he's advocated aggression.

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Absolutely false. He can set people on the right path from which they will be in a position to draw the proper conclusions.

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Who's got a better chance at changing the world for the better?

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Ron Paul, and it's not even remotely close. Even if you assume your idea of you converting more to non-violence is true, it's still Ron Paul because "for the better" isn't "perfect."