Ethics of Releasing Sensitive Information - ZJ related.

[DesertCat]

Criminals have no reasonable expectation of privacy.

[Karakaz]

Thank you for the insightful comment on this subject. Care to elaborate?

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Good point. Party has now turned over the home addresses of all of their US players for violating anti-gambling legislation.

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I'm not actually sure what the OP is getting at though. Of course there should be privacy conditions when you exchange personal information with poker sites. But I don't see what they released that wasn't already public. (ZJ ran a blog, people knew his sn and real name).

The purpose of Stars/Party action wasn't so much to punish him as it was to make an example for the rest of the multiaccounters. That's why it's so public.

[Karakaz]

What I am asking is; Should *any* information that could be contrued as sensitive or link an identifiable person to an incident of cheating, including but not limited to sn?

We still have no OFFICIAL word from Party regarding this matter - if ZJ did not post and confess towards his actions, we would not have any proof on the validity of these claims.

What when I post a fake e-mail from party accusing YOU of being a cheater? Is the punishment in any way comparable to the crime? Is this a case where the cure is worse than the disease?

The main reason I post this is due to the extremely negative impact this will have on two individuals who commit relatively minor offences, who have been branded as cheaters and is/will be universially hated within the poker community for the foreseeable future (probably will have issues in any casino/other public places the next few years).

Additionally, and perhaps the crux of this: Could Party not have handled this in a more considerate manner? Surely an official post on their official webpage explaining actions taken against 2 big time winners would be just as effective.

To me, this smells like corporations (and the mob) taking the law in their own hands. I could be wrong, and there could be issues I have overlooked - this is why I would like to see some discussion on the matter.

[Erik Blazynski]

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The main reason I post this is due to the extremely negative impact this will have on two individuals who commit relatively minor offences, who have been branded as cheaters and is/will be universially hated within the poker community for the foreseeable future (probably will have issues in any casino/other public places the next few years).

To me, this smells like corporations (and the mob) taking the law in their own hands. I could be wrong, and there could be issues I have overlooked - this is why I would like to see some discussion on the matter.

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This is by no means a minor offense. you clearly do not undersatnd that advantage that a player has who is playing 2 hands at the same table. This is a MAJOR offense. If ZJ played back in the day when Doyle was hitting the games back in Texas he would be at the bottom of a lake right now, and he would not have scuba gear. You screw other people out of $100,000+ and there is a price to pay.

Party and Stars simply took the money back and will redispurse it to the players that deserve it. I feel that Party should send out a press release regarding the matter and should do that will all cheaters.

RE: B&M play, these guys should be banned from the casinos. And they should cast out of the poker community. They are know cheats.

RE: the corporation taking the law into their own hands, IT IS THEIR JOB TO POLICE THIS SITUATION.. The mob would put these cheats to the bottom of a lake and you would never hear from them again.

[bocablkr]

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The main reason I post this is due to the extremely negative impact this will have on two individuals who commit relatively minor offences, who have been branded as cheaters and is/will be universially hated within the poker community for the foreseeable future (probably will have issues in any casino/other public places the next few years).


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Who are these individuals - certainly not anyone we have been discussing recently.

[BluffTHIS!]

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The main reason I post this is due to the extremely negative impact this will have on two individuals who commit relatively minor offences, who have been branded as cheaters and is/will be universially hated within the poker community for the foreseeable future (probably will have issues in any casino/other public places the next few years).


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Who are these individuals - certainly not anyone we have been discussing recently.

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Exactly. I am only aware of individuals who have committed certifiably major offenses of stealing over 100K each.

And if they are so worried about their poker reps, then they should find another line of WORK. Or use the money stars was nice enough to refund to them to get plastic surgery.

[sandsmarc]

I wish the the users of this board would be allowed to determine how many threads they want to start about a particular topic. As long as there is no abusive language or personal attacks it should be up to the forum members to decide what they want to talk about.

[spacetime]

can you elaborate on this please. party is trying to get people in trouble with the US?