Iffy at Best?

[TxRedMan]

Are you trying to convince the forum of your thought process, or are you still trying to convince yourself? Not intended to be rude or condescending.

Fwiw, when I bet and there's a raise and a re-raise, I usually give the 3-bettor credit for something strong. The initial raiser can have a wide range, but in this particular spot with a bet, raise, then a re-raise- the 3-bettor is going to either have a set, or the nut flush draw/low draw a huge % of the time.

That being said I'll usually discount something in my hand when it's 3-bet. Say you put him on a set, so your two pair outs aren't any good, or you put him on the nut flush draw, where your flush draw wouldn't be any good, or maybe he has a low draw and an oesd, where he's basically free rolling you.


A lot of players need to quit thinking they're getting 4-1 on this flop. That's the immediate pot odds, but maybe Buzz can chime in here and tell you what your long term odds are in that spot, i.e., how often a low will be made that reduces your odds by 50%, etc, and I'm assuming you're really only getting about 2.75/1 on that flop in the long run.


Fold to the three bet. You have one nut out, and you're often going to be putting in 2 more BB's after you cold call the 3-bet.

Also, players stats may be fishy in this hand, but go back and look at their hand ranges where they've 3-bet. Even these middle limit loose players show up with a hand when they 3-bet two people on the flop.


Fold the flop, easily, and don't lose any sleep over it.