"I WANT TO SEE THAT HAND"

[Gonso]

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dealers have been recently trained to just quickly take a folded hand and stick them right in the muck quickly as a matter of habit

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Yes, yes, and yes. Someone folds, get his cards in the muck ASAP. I do this and think it's good practice. Keeps the game moving and helps avoid problems.

Usually people who abuse the IWTSTH are the type Milo is describing. At some point the dealer or house should put an end to the abuse if it's constantly going on. It's bad for the game, but fortunately it's pretty rare that someone jsut keeps on doing it.

In one very cool case at my first dealing job, a total douche was doing it every hand, and after a few the dealer just started mucking them anyway. When douche protested, they broke the table, and reseated him on a dead spread - just him and another dealer. He went into this "that's bull****" routine because no one was being seated, and then the floor told him to stop swearing. He didn't, and they kicked him out.

Seriously, if you're constantly doing this in a B&M casino, you're a total nit, I don't care where it is. Many casinos now (mine included) give some discretion to the floor staff to curb problems like this, to include IWTSTH abuse.

[AngusThermopyle]

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In one very cool case at my first dealing job, a total douche was doing it every hand, and after a few the dealer just started mucking them anyway. When douche protested, they broke the table, and reseated him on a dead spread - just him and another dealer. He went into this "that's bull****" routine because no one was being seated, and then the floor told him to stop swearing. He didn't, and they kicked him out.



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That was an incredibly retarded way to handle the problem.

[Gonso]

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That was an incredibly retarded way to handle the problem.

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It was an incredibly retarded place to work

[bernie]

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At some point the dealer or house should put an end to the abuse if it's constantly going on. It's bad for the game, but fortunately it's pretty rare that someone jsut keeps on doing it.

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It it's slowing down the game, I agree.

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Seriously, if you're constantly doing this in a B&M casino, you're a total nit,

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I agree.

If you're constantly complaining about someone doing this in a casino, you're a total nit.

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[Gonso]

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If you're constantly complaining about someone doing this in a casino, you're a total nit.

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If you mean me, like I said, I don't see it very often to complain about it constantly. If I did, well, I would probably get pretty annoyed (regardless whether I was dealing or not).

Maybe it's because I'm a little bit old school? It used to be considered bad form pretty much universally, apparently in some places it's becoming more and more acceptable with the internet era. I don't think it's good for the game at all.

[Gonso]

This Tommy Angelo article sums it up a lot better that I can, for those who haven't read it. I don't disagree with any of it myself.

http://www.tommyangelo.com/articles/..._that_hand.htm

[bernie]

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Maybe it's because I'm a little bit old school?

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I'm old school also. This still doesn't bother me. At all. Never has. I go to showdown knowing full well someone might ask to see my hand. I expect it, so it isn't a suprise. Though it rarely happens.

Most (especially on here) complain at the drop of a hat about this stupid rule. Mainly, it seems, because it's a rule that they can then spew how it's for collusion, blah blah. Like a nit showing how much they know a rule or whatever, regardless of how petty it is, just to draw attention that they know a rule. That, or it's hurting someones ego a little more who just lost the hand. Kind of like being kicked while they're down, thus taking it too personal. Who cares?

Bad form? Sure. There are alot worse things happening at the table. You want to tell a guy what it's really there for? Fine, clue him in and tell him afterward. No reason to stop the table and call the floor over and make a big deal out of it. That bothers me alot more than a guy asking to see the hand.

Trust me, most people asking to see hands aren't going to use the info. Most seeing the hand at the table aren't going to be using the info either. Most will likely forget in about an orbit anyways. But then people act like all of a sudden all these donators on a table are suddenly going to become super alert experts at deducing your hand because they've seen one hand. Couldn't be further from the truth.

It's really not worth getting that bent out of shape over.

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