200NL AK 3b pot oop, river decision?

[MM_red33]

call. agree with above poster.

[kayfish77]

fold you dont beat anything... its a 3bet pot. like at best you're splitting. why does no one see this? like i understand its blind vs button but i dont think we beat a hell of a lot and the river really looks like it wants a call.

[R6MC]

I would have bet the turn pretty strong, if I get a call then I play the river cautiously. You could have possibly avoided this decision altogether

[DaCooler]

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I would have bet the turn pretty strong, if I get a call then I play the river cautiously. You could have possibly avoided this decision altogether

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[cakewalk]

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I would have bet the turn pretty strong, if I get a call then I play the river cautiously. You could have possibly avoided this decision altogether

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anyone shove turn ?
cus if we bet the turn that's pretty much what we're doing on any river

[SharkSandwich]

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I would have bet the turn pretty strong, if I get a call then I play the river cautiously. You could have possibly avoided this decision altogether

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I think this is pretty horrible advice. Mostly for the reasons stated. And I hear that too much here - "you could have avoided having to make a decision"

You don't make a play just to avoid having to make a decision. Sometimes it's more profitable to make a play that leaves us with a decision later. And this is an example of one of those cases.

If we bet the Turn we're folding out worse hands, and putting in too much money for the hands that beat us most likely. Checking the Turn here gives our opponent a decision. Does he bet the River without a hand? If we bet the Turn he has no decision and we've made life easy for him.

Doing it to avoid a decision is just not good enough. Especially when the river decision isn't even super hard.

[R6MC]

You misinterpreted what I wrote. I didn't mean that I would make that play in order to avoid a decision, its just that had you bet the turn, given what had occured in the hand thus far, villian may have folded and as a byproduct the river decision is avoided. But the turn bet was not in itself purely a way of avoiding a confrontation later. You check. then call the flop. A king comes which is possibly quite the scare card to villian if he has a hand like 10's or QQ's or what not.. and now he has the decision to make. If he has AJ he might be turned off by a formidable turn bet here. Just my thoughts anyways. . .

[wdead]

how can u possibly fold here?

[bilbo-san]

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You misinterpreted what I wrote. I didn't mean that I would make that play in order to avoid a decision, its just that had you bet the turn, given what had occured in the hand thus far, villian may have folded and as a byproduct the river decision is avoided. But the turn bet was not in itself purely a way of avoiding a confrontation later. You check. then call the flop. A king comes which is possibly quite the scare card to villian if he has a hand like 10's or QQ's or what not.. and now he has the decision to make. If he has AJ he might be turned off by a formidable turn bet here. Just my thoughts anyways. . .

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Yeah, judging by this post, He didn't misinterpret you at all, and you are still wrong for the same reasons.

You don't WANT him to fold if the K is a scare card for him. Getting villain to fold QQ or TT is on the turn is [censored] terrible, and you make it sound like it's a good thing.

[JackAll]

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fold you dont beat anything... its a 3bet pot. like at best you're splitting. why does no one see this? like i understand its blind vs button but i dont think we beat a hell of a lot and the river really looks like it wants a call.

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This is pretty close to accurate.

A basic range of JJ+/AK has us completely owned. Of course he has other hands, but quite a few of them own us also (KJ/JQ/44/55).

However I'm not sure villian "wants a call" on the river - it could be a block bet also and I think we should fold due to his hand range, but it's tough to do with these odds but if I'm playing well I would fold this.