KK: How's this look?

[bigt439]

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no one lays down AK here. Hell, I've seen this get called with KQ.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($1005.52)
BB ($549.80)
UTG :#A500AF(Lucky Jackass)/ ($376)
MP ($1106.09)
TWP ($398)
Button ($30)

Preflop: TWP is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG :#A500AF(Lucky Jackass)/ raises to $8</font>, MP calls $8, TWP calls $398 (All-In), <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG :#A500AF(Lucky Jackass)/ calls $368 (All-In), MP folds.

Flop: ($788) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($788) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($788) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $788

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Lucky Jackass has Qs Ks (straight, king high).
TWP has Jd Jc (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Lucky Jackass wins $760. TWP wins $22. </font>

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The risk vs. reward of that play is horrendous. That is really very different from the KK hypothetical.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Maybe you didn't notice that my JJJ was better than KK but that both still lose to KQJT9?

[Shaun]

Good.

[Shaun]

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Everyone here is saying they call this with JJ. I think most Party players hem and haw for a while but will call with QQ, and you'll get a decent success with JJ. Also if AK ever calls you, its also huge +EV to counterbalance the few he has AA.

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The times your opponent has AK, QQ, JJ, TT and calls are going to make you plenty long term. Factor in the times the unknown raiser is a donk that puts in his stack with AJ or 88 and it's not close that this is a good play IMHO.

[yvesaint]

twp,

ha ha owned

regards,
yvesaint

[Hattifnatt]

Looks good, at least if its on Stars, can be the rebuy-trick..

[yvesaint]

everyone,

i think youre losing ton of value here

against a lot of players, you will get it all in on undercard flop v. 99+

against a lot of players, you will get it all in v. TPTK

its a lot easier to flop draws when you arent folding everything but high pockets and AsKs preflop

i mean, i think in the long run re raising is much more +EV. if you had a read on the guy that this raise was only AA-JJ, AK/AQ, sure, this might be good, but even then, i think youre losing value

how many times can i use the word value in my post,
yvaluesaint

[SilverLining1]

I like this more at the 1/2 NL than I do at the 2/4 NL. Also, stack sizes are all but too relevant.

A'

[slambert]

pushing preflop with JJ with a raise and a call before you? Is this standard or did you just have a great read? Besides this extreme example, what hands are really calling here?

I dont even call this with QQ (unless 50BB or less), but I guess I should start!

[xorbie]

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everyone,

i think youre losing ton of value here

against a lot of players, you will get it all in on undercard flop v. 99+

against a lot of players, you will get it all in v. TPTK

its a lot easier to flop draws when you arent folding everything but high pockets and AsKs preflop

i mean, i think in the long run re raising is much more +EV. if you had a read on the guy that this raise was only AA-JJ, AK/AQ, sure, this might be good, but even then, i think youre losing value

how many times can i use the word value in my post,
yvaluesaint

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first hand i sit down im raaarely getting it in vs tptk or anything like that. im taking it down pf almost all the time.