Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?

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Whether everyone carrying a gun would increase random murders elsewhere is up for debate. If everyone in society was trained properly, everyone being armed would be a good thing. However, in the reality we live in there are a lot of people that cannot control their temper -- or are just plain idiots -- but then again if everyone was armed they would learn to control it or die (if you consistently start pulling out your gun for no reason you would end up shot).

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THis argument was prevalent about ten years ago when the state of florida was going to super liberal carry laws. In the ten years or whatever since florida went to super easy conceal carry, the empirical evidence is overwhelming that the argument that gunfights would spring up over minor squabbles is totally false. It's just not true.

[Shoe]

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Whether everyone carrying a gun would increase random murders elsewhere is up for debate. If everyone in society was trained properly, everyone being armed would be a good thing. However, in the reality we live in there are a lot of people that cannot control their temper -- or are just plain idiots -- but then again if everyone was armed they would learn to control it or die (if you consistently start pulling out your gun for no reason you would end up shot).

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THis argument was prevalent about ten years ago when the state of florida was going to super liberal carry laws. In the ten years or whatever since florida went to super easy conceal carry, the empirical evidence is overwhelming that the argument that gunfights would spring up over minor squabbles is totally false. It's just not true.

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I agree with you -- and I also agree that conceal carry laws reduce the violent crime rate. However, I do not feel there has ever been a study done that can honestly evaulate the true impact of conceal carry laws. The trend of violent crime is based on too many other factors (such as the local economy) to get an accurate reading of the impact of the conceal carry laws that are passed. The only way we could get a more accurate reading is if a much larger percentage of the population applied for conceal carry permits and then used them (assuming they were only given out to responsible citizens as they are today).

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anyone know how many people are killed by handguns each year in the US...not including suicides?

[bkholdem]

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anyone know how many people are killed by handguns each year in the US...not including suicides?

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If your going to take out suicides I suggest you also take out drug related homicides.... because the only reason those himicides happen is due to the government making drugs illegal. Legalize drugs adn those murders disappear overnight.

[PLOlover]

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The only way we could get a more accurate reading is if a much larger percentage of the population applied for conceal carry permits and then used them (assuming they were only given out to responsible citizens as they are today).

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I think you're missing the point. In florida they give them out to everybody basically. The law says that unless you're a convicted felon or something you cannot be denied a permit. In the years since that law went into effect basically no concealed weapon permit holder has been involved in a barfight/roadrage/escalating argument type of shooting. And that's saying a lot for an entire state over an entire decade.

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why so many gun related deaths in us compared to other countries...is it simply the mass quantity? 250 million or something like that?

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why so many gun related deaths in us compared to other countries...is it simply the mass quantity? 250 million or something like that?

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It is most assuredly not just the quantity. Every Swiss male between a certain age is required to keep a machine gun and ammunition in their house as well as train in their national guard. Yet the Swiss have pretty low amounts of gun crime.

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why so many gun related deaths in us compared to other countries...is it simply the mass quantity? 250 million or something like that?

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It is most assuredly not just the quantity. Every Swiss male between a certain age is required to keep a machine gun and ammunition in their house as well as train in their national guard. Yet the Swiss have pretty low amounts of gun crime.

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so have there been any good studies to figure out why? can't think its just the culture.

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why so many gun related deaths in us compared to other countries...is it simply the mass quantity? 250 million or something like that?

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It is most assuredly not just the quantity. Every Swiss male between a certain age is required to keep a machine gun and ammunition in their house as well as train in their national guard. Yet the Swiss have pretty low amounts of gun crime.

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so have there been any good studies to figure out why? can't think its just the culture.

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I think crime has a big role in it, especially drug crime.

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so have there been any good studies to figure out why? can't think its just the culture.

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It's also the israelis. although sometimes they do go crazy and shoot up the palis.