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04-16-2007, 01:50 PM
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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[ QUOTE ] I think they're saying he had two 9MMs and lots of clips of ammo. [/ QUOTE ] well, we already have laws that limit the number of shells for some of the high capacity automatics, so he probably had some from before the bill was passed which I believe were still legal. so I doubt more laws will make a difference. rb [/ QUOTE ] If you possess high caps purchased before 2000, they are legal. That being said, no college-aged kid today can own those legally. Dids said it best in another thread, that no amount of gun control could have stopped this. IMO, this situation highlights why a 100% ban on firearms doesn't work. Criminals don't care. How would this story be changed if a gun-toting responsible student put an end to the gunman's life? 
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04-16-2007, 02:09 PM
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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If you possess high caps purchased before 2000, they are legal. That being said, no college-aged kid today can own those legally. [/ QUOTE ] Not correct. Assuming you don't live in a state like CA which has its own seperate magazine restrictions, you can buy 15-round (or whatever) mags locally. Of course, it really doesn't matter much to someone with some experience -- "low cap" (10-round or less) mags can be swapped out in 2 seconds or less.
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04-16-2007, 02:16 PM
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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[ QUOTE ] If you possess high caps purchased before 2000, they are legal. That being said, no college-aged kid today can own those legally. [/ QUOTE ] Not correct. Assuming you don't live in a state like CA which has its own seperate magazine restrictions, you can buy 15-round (or whatever) mags locally. Of course, it really doesn't matter much to someone with some experience -- "low cap" (10-round or less) mags can be swapped out in 2 seconds or less. [/ QUOTE ] I am in CA. And you are correct. Against unarmed targets, it really doesn't matter how many rounds your mag can hold.
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04-16-2007, 02:22 PM
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think they're saying he had two 9MMs and lots of clips of ammo. [/ QUOTE ] well, we already have laws that limit the number of shells for some of the high capacity automatics, so he probably had some from before the bill was passed which I believe were still legal. so I doubt more laws will make a difference. rb [/ QUOTE ] If you possess high caps purchased before 2000, they are legal. That being said, no college-aged kid today can own those legally. Dids said it best in another thread, that no amount of gun control could have stopped this. IMO, this situation highlights why a 100% ban on firearms doesn't work. Criminals don't care. How would this story be changed if a gun-toting responsible student put an end to the gunman's life? [/ QUOTE ] I find it interesting that the first conclusion many people are drawing about this is that no amount of gun control would have made a difference.
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04-16-2007, 02:26 PM
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think they're saying he had two 9MMs and lots of clips of ammo. [/ QUOTE ] well, we already have laws that limit the number of shells for some of the high capacity automatics, so he probably had some from before the bill was passed which I believe were still legal. so I doubt more laws will make a difference. rb [/ QUOTE ] If you possess high caps purchased before 2000, they are legal. That being said, no college-aged kid today can own those legally. Dids said it best in another thread, that no amount of gun control could have stopped this. IMO, this situation highlights why a 100% ban on firearms doesn't work. Criminals don't care. How would this story be changed if a gun-toting responsible student put an end to the gunman's life? [/ QUOTE ] I find it interesting that the first conclusion many people are drawing about this is that no amount of gun control would have made a difference. [/ QUOTE ] That's because it's an accurate assertion. The mass murderer was clearly in violation of gun laws and obviously had little regard for the law. Unless you go on a Crusader campaign across the globe, you will always be able to get firearms.
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04-16-2007, 02:32 PM
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
It's only an accurate assertion if you assume that in all these killings, the gunman will go to any length to acquire firearms, so more stringent laws wouldn't make any difference. I have no idea how true that is in this case, but it clearly isn't always, or even often, accurate across the board.
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04-16-2007, 02:32 PM
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
Let's go ahead and make murder "super triple" illegal. That'll be sure to stop it.
Making guns illegal will lead to: 1. A huge underground, black market for guns, and all the elements that come with an underground black market (mafia, violence, etc.) 2. Crude, home-made guns popping up every where. Believe it or not a gun is not THAT sophisticated of a machine. We aren't talking a nuclear reactor here. Anyone with some basic equipment and training will be able to make a functioning firearm. Do you really think someone who wants to murder as many people as possible gives a flying rat's behind about breaking a "gun" law? Has making drugs illegal stopped people from buying/selling drugs? A gun is simply an inanimate lump of metal and/or wood. People who want to kill others can/will always find a way.  ZERO guns involved ^^^^
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04-16-2007, 02:32 PM
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think they're saying he had two 9MMs and lots of clips of ammo. [/ QUOTE ] well, we already have laws that limit the number of shells for some of the high capacity automatics, so he probably had some from before the bill was passed which I believe were still legal. so I doubt more laws will make a difference. rb [/ QUOTE ] If you possess high caps purchased before 2000, they are legal. That being said, no college-aged kid today can own those legally. Dids said it best in another thread, that no amount of gun control could have stopped this. IMO, this situation highlights why a 100% ban on firearms doesn't work. Criminals don't care. How would this story be changed if a gun-toting responsible student put an end to the gunman's life? [/ QUOTE ] I find it interesting that the first conclusion many people are drawing about this is that no amount of gun control would have made a difference. [/ QUOTE ] How many gun laws are on the books now? 19,000? 29,000? Something like that. They were obviously effective in this case, weren't they? Gun control laws do virtually nothing to curb gun violence.
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04-16-2007, 02:36 PM
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think they're saying he had two 9MMs and lots of clips of ammo. [/ QUOTE ] well, we already have laws that limit the number of shells for some of the high capacity automatics, so he probably had some from before the bill was passed which I believe were still legal. so I doubt more laws will make a difference. rb [/ QUOTE ] If you possess high caps purchased before 2000, they are legal. That being said, no college-aged kid today can own those legally. Dids said it best in another thread, that no amount of gun control could have stopped this. IMO, this situation highlights why a 100% ban on firearms doesn't work. Criminals don't care. How would this story be changed if a gun-toting responsible student put an end to the gunman's life? [/ QUOTE ] I find it interesting that the first conclusion many people are drawing about this is that no amount of gun control would have made a difference. [/ QUOTE ] How many gun laws are on the books now? 19,000? 29,000? Something like that. They were obviously effective in this case, weren't they? Gun control laws do virtually nothing to curb gun violence. [/ QUOTE ] This is a terrible argument.
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04-16-2007, 02:38 PM
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Re: What would you do about Virginia Tech?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think they're saying he had two 9MMs and lots of clips of ammo. [/ QUOTE ] well, we already have laws that limit the number of shells for some of the high capacity automatics, so he probably had some from before the bill was passed which I believe were still legal. so I doubt more laws will make a difference. rb [/ QUOTE ] If you possess high caps purchased before 2000, they are legal. That being said, no college-aged kid today can own those legally. Dids said it best in another thread, that no amount of gun control could have stopped this. IMO, this situation highlights why a 100% ban on firearms doesn't work. Criminals don't care. How would this story be changed if a gun-toting responsible student put an end to the gunman's life? [/ QUOTE ] I find it interesting that the first conclusion many people are drawing about this is that no amount of gun control would have made a difference. [/ QUOTE ] How many gun laws are on the books now? 19,000? 29,000? Something like that. They were obviously effective in this case, weren't they? Gun control laws do virtually nothing to curb gun violence. [/ QUOTE ] This is a terrible argument. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for your convincing rebuttal.
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