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Old 04-12-2007, 12:51 AM
Theo_Brixton Theo_Brixton is offline
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Default Re: \"Most of your profit will come from AA & KK\"

Here are my pairs over 115k hands of full ring, I'm up $8,800 total so as you can see your friend is correct.





Here are my hands that lose greatest $/hand (when not in a blind)


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Old 04-12-2007, 01:08 AM
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Default Re: \"Most of your profit will come from AA & KK\"

my set mining skillz must be terrible, I'm actually pretty concerned about my small-mid pair performance, suited connectors seem to break even at best also.
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Old 04-12-2007, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: \"Most of your profit will come from AA & KK\"

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my set mining skillz must be terrible, I'm actually pretty concerned about my small-mid pair performance, suited connectors seem to break even at best also.

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You should definitely be turning a profit with pairs, but your sample size is too low. I think SC's are inherently -EV though.
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Old 04-12-2007, 01:17 AM
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Default Re: \"Most of your profit will come from AA & KK\"

Isn't it ok to break even on small pairs/sc's because they make you tougher to read, and give you more value on your big pairs?
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Old 04-12-2007, 01:18 AM
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Default Re: \"Most of your profit will come from AA & KK\"

For example raising small pairs in EP is possibly -EV, but it makes you more money when you raise EP with big hands, so thus its +EV even tho you may be break even or losing on it.
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Old 04-12-2007, 01:19 AM
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Isn't it ok to break even on small pairs/sc's because they make you tougher to read, and give you more value on your big pairs?

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SCs yes, PPs not so much
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Old 04-12-2007, 01:45 AM
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Isn't it ok to break even on small pairs/sc's because they make you tougher to read, and give you more value on your big pairs?

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I would have to say that would pre-suppose thinking, aware opponents.

Under 100NL, those are actually fairly rare (Thank you, Water Walking Jesus!).

Also, whenever I do find a player like that at one of my tables, I move. Frankly, I don't want to play against people who are even just as good as I am. And screw playing opponents who are better. That's for tournament players, not me.
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Old 04-12-2007, 03:36 PM
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my set mining skillz must be terrible, I'm actually pretty concerned about my small-mid pair performance, suited connectors seem to break even at best also.

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I think if you broke your SC's and small PP's down by position, you'd see a major difference in win/lost $$$
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Old 04-12-2007, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: \"Most of your profit will come from AA & KK\"

Yeah, it is much easier to extract from position than OOP.
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:00 PM
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Yeah, it is much easier to extract from position than OOP.

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And anyone with even a small piece of a rented brain will bet the pot when two flush cards come on the flop and it's checked to them.

Chasing flushes from OOP is like burning money. Took me months the learn that, though.
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