Common No Limit Situation

[LaMbaL]

I look at it this way: This is a hand we'd normally want to raise, but given the circumstances (many players left behind, BB showing strength) raising is imo too risky here.

There is a good chance that our hand is good here, and the chance of someone reraising behind us is reasonably small(!), so calling seems preferable over folding. Sure, calling will allow players behind us with draws to stay in the pot, but under the circumstances we do not have the position to stop them from doing so.

Also, if we get some more callers behind, we'll be offered great odds (6/24 and rising) and the pot will be 'locked', so unless someone hits it is likely that noone will attempt to steal the pot. Therefore, imo we can call with this hand that still has a decent chance of being the best hand, and reevaluate it to any future action.

[Dromar]

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Sure, calling will allow players behind us with draws to stay in the pot, but under the circumstances we do not have the position to stop them from doing so.

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We have the perfect position to do so. Immediate action right after the initial bettor. Raising here will force them to fold for the reasons I explained in one of my earlier posts.

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Also, if we get some more callers behind, we'll be offered great odds (6/24 and rising) and the pot will be 'locked', so unless someone hits it is likely that noone will attempt to steal the pot.

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Your "no steal" comment is good, but our odds aren't really getting better. If we let the opponents behind us make a profitable call, we're losing money (via FTP). So, while our odds are getting better, we're ending up with less money. Those callers behind aren't just donating to the pot, they've got chances to win.

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Therefore, imo we can call with this hand that still has a decent chance of being the best hand, and reevaluate it to any future action.

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Normally I like the "call and reevaluate" line, but I think it's even more important that we get HU here (if possible). Obviously, if there's a monster behind us, we're dropping the hand on the flop, and raising costs us more money in these instances. But these instances aren't common, and definitely aren't as common as the instances when calling would result in giving a player behind us a very profitable opportunity at our own expense.

[thatpfunk]

im guessing the people saying fold have never played live. generally good live 25-50 = avg 2-4 (mayyyybe) online.

people constantly do [censored] [censored] live.