**Official uNL microbrew thread:April**

Supwithbates · #1 04-02-2007, 12:28 PM

I'm better than this.

Screw running bad, if there's any justice or karma, I'll be running good for the next 100k hands.

Every time I get on 25NL I run into this crap:

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Hero ($26.25)
UTG ($31.60)
MP ($43.20)
CO ($10)
Button ($52.65)
SB ($35.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $1.2, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls $0.95, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.5, UTG calls $3.30, CO calls $3.30.

Flop: ($13.60) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $8, UTG raises to $27.1, CO calls $5.50 (All-In), Hero calls $13.75 (All-In).

Turn: ($67.95) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($67.95) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $67.95

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad Kd (two pair, kings and sevens).
UTG has Qd Ac (flush, ace high).
CO has Jc Ks (flush, king high).
Outcome: UTG wins $67.95. 

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Hero ($50.20)
UTG ($8.45)
Button ($10.30)
SB ($35.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1, UTG folds, Button folds.

Flop: ($3) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $15, Hero raises to $25, SB raises to $47.35, Hero calls $9.35.

Turn: ($84.70) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($84.70) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $84.70

Results in white below: 
SB has 7s 7d (four of a kind, sevens).
Hero has 9c 9d (full house, nines full of sevens).
Outcome: SB wins $84.70. 

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Hero ($24.90)
Button ($25.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Button raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, Button calls $2.

Flop: ($6) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $4, Button calls $4.

Turn: ($14) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $17.9 (All-In), Button calls $17.90.

River: ($49.80) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $49.80

Results in white below: 
Hero has 7h 7c (three of a kind, sevens).
Button has Ts 8d (straight, jack high).
Outcome: Button wins $49.80. 

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Hero ($30.70)
CO ($25.25)
Button ($11.75)
SB ($13.10)
BB ($8)
UTG ($12.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($3.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.5, Button raises to $5, SB calls $5, Hero raises to $15, Button calls $5.75 (All-In), SB calls $7.10 (All-In).

Turn: ($41.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($41.10) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $41.10

Results in white below: 
SB has 5c 3c (flush, ace high).
Hero has Kd Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Button has Ah 9h (full house, aces full of nines).
Outcome: Button wins $35.50. Hero wins $2.90. SB wins $2.70. 

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Hero ($53.05)
BB ($24.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $24.8, Hero calls $23.80.

Flop: ($49.60) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: ($49.60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($49.60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $49.60

Results in white below: 
Hero has Jc Js (two pair, jacks and fives).
BB has Qs 7d (two pair, queens and fives).
Outcome: BB wins $49.60. 

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MP ($21.75)
Button ($21.95)
Hero ($35.35)
BB ($10.05)
UTG ($36.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, Button calls $1.

Flop: ($2.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, Button raises to $3, Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($8.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $8, Hero raises to $31.1, Button calls $9.70 (All-In).

River: ($57.55) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $57.55

Results in white below: 
Hero has Js Ac (two pair, aces and jacks).
Button has Ts 2s (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Button wins $44.15. Hero wins $13.40. 

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Hero ($64.90)
MP ($23.25)
Button ($3.70)
SB ($51)
BB ($11.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, MP calls $1, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, MP calls $3, Button calls $2.70 (All-In), BB folds.

Turn: ($12.80) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $7, MP calls $7.

River: ($26.80) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, MP bets $6, Hero calls $6.

Final Pot: $38.80

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac Ah (two pair, aces and sevens).
MP has Jh Qh (flush, queen high).
Button has 8s As (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: MP wins $38.80. .

Gelford · #2 04-02-2007, 12:33 PM

Sup, in order to play those stats, you need awesome handreading skills and be able to make moves on people .... you cant at 25NL

For one thing your aggression sucks ... and secondly I'd tighten up your vpip to something like 18 untill you play higher stakes (and I prefer my pfr to be around 17 when playing a vpip of 18, but others settle for 14)

But that aside, your biggest problem is basically that you are raising too little and calling too much

Supwithbates · #3 04-02-2007, 12:47 PM

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Sup, in order to play those stats, you need awesome handreading skills and be able to make moves on people .... you cant at 25NL

For one thing your aggression sucks ... and secondly I'd tighten up your vpip to something like 18 untill you play higher stakes (and I prefer my pfr to be around 17 when playing a vpip of 18, but others settle for 14)

But that aside, your biggest problem is basically that you are raising too little and calling too much

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At 10NL especially, limping behind is much more profitable iwht hands like 22-66, suited connectors, etc. at many tables because players simply don't fold QJo and it's difficult to play postflop if you miss the set, especially if they call whiffed overs and float a certain %. I play very passively OOP, and very aggressively in position.

Gelford · #4 04-02-2007, 12:54 PM

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At 10NL especially, limping behind is much more profitable iwht hands like 22-66, suited connectors, etc. at many tables because players simply don't fold QJo and it's difficult to play postflop if you miss the set, especially if they call whiffed overs and float a certain %. I play very passively OOP, and very aggressively in position.

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Yes, and by that reasoning playing a 23/15 style is ... well you are pushing small edges.

If we are to follow your argumentation, you should simply narrow it down and tighen up. Thread TPTK like the nuts and take them to valuetown.

Raise 66, if HU then cbet else play for setvalue.

And don't play any hands UTG and UTG+1 but premiums.

If bored, then add a couple of tables.

Profit, then move up to where they respect your raises and unwind [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Supwithbates · #5 04-02-2007, 01:04 PM

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At 10NL especially, limping behind is much more profitable iwht hands like 22-66, suited connectors, etc. at many tables because players simply don't fold QJo and it's difficult to play postflop if you miss the set, especially if they call whiffed overs and float a certain %. I play very passively OOP, and very aggressively in position.

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Yes, and by that reasoning playing a 23/15 style is ... well you are pushing small edges.

If we are to follow your argumentation, you should simply narrow it down and tighen up. Thread TPTK like the nuts and take them to valuetown.

Raise 66, if HU then cbet else play for setvalue.

And don't play any hands UTG and UTG+1 but premiums.

If bored, then add a couple of tables.

Profit, then move up to where they respect your raises and unwind [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I do open raise 66, but if the action to me is L/P MP limps, CO limps, Button limps, I'm SB with 66, I'm not raising... I'll get several callers, be OOP with a hand that misses most flops... I just complete here. I generally also limp behind 55 and below if someone else limps ahead of me.

I generally also consider my edge to be outplaying people postflop, against players with 40-60VPIP and 2% preflop raise, it doesn't take much to be way ahead of their range, b/c they'll get taken to valuetown when they flop top pair no kicker after limp/calling K3

Gelford · #6 04-02-2007, 01:05 PM

When you limp after limpers, if you raise with 66/55 ... how many will fold ?

Supwithbates · #7 04-02-2007, 01:14 PM

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When you limp after limpers, if you raise with 66/55 ... how many will fold ?

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depends on the players, but usually ballpark 40% are limp/calling

munkey · #8 04-02-2007, 01:39 PM

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When you limp after limpers, if you raise with 66/55 ... how many will fold ?

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HU I raise, 2limpers I often limp along, but depends on limpers and IP players yet to act - howm uch they fold to PFR+cbet when I miss and their stacking ability when hit sets.

I've considerd whether it's EV even if we PFR say 33 and it gets 4way -that's a mulitway pot with a thermonuclear hand potential and stackage even if we check-fold every time we miss. I suspect so.

Back back again like the renegade master eh Gelford?

I've been in semi-exile for a few days - running bad and playing worse and needing a break from teh pokah/2p2 somewhat.

March:

Managed to play alot for me [resizable tables yo], played o.k [to the 1st peak] then sucked and ran bad then played bad and still not out of my FT swingament:

400+bonus+RB ~ 1k incl other sites for worst [censored] month ever.

@ moment I'm playing some PTY and dropped my blind stealing and PFr has dropped some 3% as weak loose blinds just don't fold.

Coming from FT/crypto - I'm finding [@ Nl50] cbetting less and raising less[both on the flop and draws] and becoming a real NIT - I hope I can get my PTY roll up so I can shoot for some NL100 where they respect my raises [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

What adjustments do you [and xanta and other NL50 PTY players] recommend?

I intend to play FT[not NL100 yet it's way harder than lst time and I'm being doodoo @ NL50] and PTY as I like both but FT just isn't giving me any sweet loving (-100 already 1st session) but today gave me some hope:

dip is AQs vs KK riverage [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Here's to a good April where I play well, post some [censored] hands [PT db probs] and get better FTW - I'm relying on you uNL [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Supwithbates · #9 04-02-2007, 12:51 PM

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Sup, in order to play those stats, you need awesome handreading skills and be able to make moves on people .... you cant at 25NL

For one thing your aggression sucks ... and secondly I'd tighten up your vpip to something like 18 untill you play higher stakes (and I prefer my pfr to be around 17 when playing a vpip of 18, but others settle for 14)

But that aside, your biggest problem is basically that you are raising too little and calling too much

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Stats aside, I've watched your video 3 times now and I play much more aggressively than you do in position (no offense), I just don't make many thin value bets OOP, I try to steal limped pots less often, etc.
I'm also not sure what's wrong with 2.5-3 postflop aggression, that is not a passive playing style at all.

And also, I'm not sure where I should be tightening up, moving to VPIP would require what? My raising range is basically 55+ AJs+ AQo+ UTG, (limp other pairs, as well as ATs, KQs if everyone at the table is playing passively), any pair, KJs+, 67s+, ATo+, A8s+ from the CO/OTB. I call/reraise raises with AJs+, AQo+, pairs, and KQs.

Obviously this slightly changes based on who I'm up against but I don't think this range is anything but standard. 18/17 would be insane, basically only play AQs+ for a raise and reraise with it 90% of the time, reraise with all pairs, etc.

Really, the thing that seperates my PFR from my VPIP is that I often complete in the SB with connectors if the pot is multiway, and I generally smoothcall raises with mid pocket pairs/AJ, AQ, KQ.

Gelford · #10 04-02-2007, 01:02 PM

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Stats aside, I've watched your video 3 times now

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Cool, that makes me think that it is not that bad [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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and I play much more aggressively than you do in position (no offense), I just don't make many thin value bets OOP, I try to steal limped pots less often, etc.
I'm also not sure what's wrong with 2.5-3 postflop aggression, that is not a passive playing style at all.

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Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me

I am hyperaggro OOP. You have no control, so I am basically going medieval on everyone. 3betting a lot and with a higher degree of 2nd barrels etc.

In position there is room to manuveur ... you can check behind, you can potcontrol and/or take free cards and you have better reads, so here I get tricky, speculative and take free cards. I also have a lot more respect for an OOP villian that keeps 'Hanging around' than one in position.

Actually the aggression discussion is overkill at 10NL and 25NL cos the opposition is so weak, they can fold, so you can chase and catch and get paid off ... etc.

But once you hit 100NL a total postflop aggression of 3 is going to struggle.

Mine is 8 and I feel Im not aggressive enough (actually my flop aggression might be over the top but turn and especially river aggression is struggling.)

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