NL50 - KK on A high flop

[CanYouCallThis]

Why would you want to make the pot bigger when you are OoP? I would prefer to make the pot big when being IP.

I like your lines BTW, QQ/JJ/TT would call that more often then bet out themselves.

[rakes.a.beach]

stake sizes?

[corsakh]

3bet pre and bet flop.

[Genz]

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3bet pre and bet flop.

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He did 3bet preflop and I can see few good reasons to bet this flop. He is either way ahead or way behind. The only reason would be protection against a flushdraw... So. Care to elaborate?

[corsakh]

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3bet pre and bet flop.

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He did 3bet preflop and I can see few good reasons to bet this flop. He is either way ahead or way behind. The only reason would be protection against a flushdraw... So. Care to elaborate?

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Sorry I missed he 3bet pre.
Checking Ace high flop in position after 3betting pre, is always like opening your hand face up. Unless of course your 3bet range is wild. Considering most 3bets in micros are from premium hands, please tell me what hand that 3bets preflop checks the following flops behind:

1) A high.
2) K or Q high.
3) Rag board.

Add to this scenarios how connected or monotone the board is and acehud stats - you can deduce opponents hand to 1 or 2 holdings like 80% of the time. There are other reasons of course, namely metagame ones.

[boycalledroy]

I really don't like the check on the flop, you 3bet pre and say "MUAHAHAHA I HAVE A MONSTOR" then you check the flop. What exactly do you do if the villain makes a PSB here? In a 3-bet pot I will be betting this if the preflop raisor checks to me almost every single time. I will be making you throw away a big hand, probably the best.

3 betting range is small at micro limits - AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQ. If I see an ace on the flop in a 3bet pot the cash is going in almost always. This is why I always bet out. If they are making a play for the hand they have to bet _really_ big and risk a lot to take it from me.

I agree if you get called it puts you into a bad spot. Trying to play KK oop on an Ace high flop ain't easy street though.

Would you be c/r or bet/3betting with AA/AK/AQ on this flop? If every 3 bet pot you play transparently better players will exploit you.

[catfish_01]

I like this discussion; seems to cover alot of the more tricky situations that are hard to think through as a beginner.

[jimpo]

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Why would you want to make the pot bigger when you are OoP? I would prefer to make the pot big when being IP.

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Because you want to win the pot already preflop, and if you don't you want to charge him a good price to get to the flop and start messing with us in position. We have the best hand so more money into the pot = better.

I don't get this pot control thing. I just don't. Seems like many people think that pot control is always the priority #1, I can't make myself agree with that. Plus raising $1 less or more hardly makes pot that much different sized that pot control becomes of importance. I think pot control is more about betting or checking (on later streets) than betting a bit more or a bit less.

[Genz]

When you hold KK preflop, there is no pot control. Jam it. If you are oop, you want to make sure that villain does not get good odds to call to draw out on you. It has nothing to do with pot control. You actually try to get it all-in. You are almost always ahead here, so get in as much money as you can.

I like the postflop line. I bet more on the turn, though. It looks very weak. Since villain's stats are pretty passive, I bet the river myself. I don't make it very big. I want to balance between a block and a value bet.