Mr. Inconsistent : KTs UTG

[Entity]

The point on the turn isn't only to continue if you make a straight. Since his range will be something like AK/AA, FSDR, and then 88/KK, you've got more than enough outs + the chance that your hand is good and villain won't usually fire 3 barrels here on this board.

Rob

[rafiki]

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The point on the turn isn't only to continue if you make a straight. Since his range will be something like AK/AA, FSDR, and then 88/KK, you've got more than enough outs + the chance that your hand is good and villain won't usually fire 3 barrels here on this board.

Rob

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I took the time to show that we don't have more then enough outs. The basis to continue should really be about feeling we are ahead. If we're playing abc poker according to pot odds.

[bernie]

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[I took the time to show that we don't have more then enough outs. The basis to continue should really be about feeling we are ahead. If we're playing abc poker according to pot odds.

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You're getting 8-1 on the turn call. You have about 7 outs(6-1).

Easy turn call to improve.

b

[Entity]

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The point on the turn isn't only to continue if you make a straight. Since his range will be something like AK/AA, FSDR, and then 88/KK, you've got more than enough outs + the chance that your hand is good and villain won't usually fire 3 barrels here on this board.

Rob

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I took the time to show that we don't have more then enough outs. The basis to continue should really be about feeling we are ahead. If we're playing abc poker according to pot odds.

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You took the time, but you were way off.

Weighted outs distribution, assuming we're always behind:

KK - 1 - 4 outs = 4
AK - 8 - 7 outs = 56
AA - 6 - 9 outs = 54
88 - 3 - 4 outs = 12

Total: 126 outs 18 ways = 7 outs average. We need 5.57:1 to continue and we're getting 8.25:1. Your math was either off or you misread the board, I think --

FWIW...that's giving him a tight range preflop and postflop. The reverse implied odds of him having AK and us putting in 1 extra bet since we now beat AA are mitigated by the times that he free showdowns a worse hand so I'm effectively ignoring reverse implied odds and implied odds in this.

Rob

[James.]

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you've got more than enough outs + the chance that your hand is good and villain won't usually fire 3 barrels here on this board.

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yeah, before i noticed that we had picked up the gutter i assumed we were calling the turn raise based on the board and the frequency that we see a FSDR from a worse hand.