Major live tourny...pocket 10's dilemma

[betgo]

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It's very situational.

I like the squeeze play, but its risky because you are behind a tight range for UTG which is most likely. He needs to fold this 1/2 the time for this to be profitable ~(AK--, JJ--).

I don't like a call because:
I doubt you can get another 45K (on avg) of someone elses money to justify the implied odds.
You expose yourself to a huge squeeze play from another player that you don't want to call
The hand will play badly ATF even with position.



It's probably safest just to fold.

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You can't make a squeeze play here. You are essentially committing all your chips. If you raise to 40K, you can't fold to a third raise.

Isn't there way too much of a chance that the UTG raiser or 2nd position caller has TT dominated? There is also about a 10% chance that one of the players left to act has you dominated (4/221 * 7 = 28/221; since sometimes 2 players have JJ-AA and it may be 9-handed, we;ll say 10%).

[locutus2002]

You are allowed to fold whenever the action is on you.

The implication was UTG+1 was light.

JJ is not calling a raise to 45K, probably.

The hand is no good against further action.

[betgo]

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You are allowed to fold whenever the action is on you.

The implication was UTG+1 was light.

JJ is not calling a raise to 45K, probably.

The hand is no good against further action.

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You raise to 45K and someone who has you covered puts you allin. You are calling 65K to win 175K, so you are 2.7-1 pot odds. How can you say the hand is no good? Isn't there enough chance you are not dominated to call? You are allowed to fold, but why put yourself in position to fold TT with 2.7-1 pot odds. Sklansky talks in TPFAP about not raising with TT or AQs when a reraise would put you in a difficult situation.

UTG raiser could easily have JJ-AA. How do you say 2nd position caller is light? A 2nd position caller of an UTG raise probably has a strong enough hand to raise himself if UTG didn't raise. There is some possibility 2nd position could have AA also. Plus you have most of the table to act.

[tallvinny]

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You are allowed to fold whenever the action is on you.

The implication was UTG+1 was light.

JJ is not calling a raise to 45K, probably.

The hand is no good against further action.

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You raise to 45K and someone who has you covered puts you allin. You are calling 65K to win 175K, so you are 2.7-1 pot odds. How can you say the hand is no good? Isn't there enough chance you are not dominated to call? You are allowed to fold, but why put yourself in position to fold TT with 2.7-1 pot odds. Sklansky talks in TPFAP about not raising with TT or AQs when a reraise would put you in a difficult situation.

UTG raiser could easily have JJ-AA. How do you say 2nd position caller is light? A 2nd position caller of an UTG raise probably has a strong enough hand to raise himself if UTG didn't raise. There is some possibility 2nd position could have AA also. Plus you have most of the table to act.

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Not sure but it sounds like you are advocating raising and plaaninga call to a push pre flop. I understand the strategy but don't agree for two reasons:

1. Your planning to get the right pot odds to call as a 2.7-1 dog. You are on day two of a major tourney facing at least one solid player. I think you can pick a better spot with the chip stack. You have zero chips invested at this point with what looks like a marginal hand to a UTG raise and a smooth call and 7 players left to act

2. If your reraise gets flat called by one or more stacks (lot of action behind you) there are not too many boards you are going to like. The pot will be so big that pushing post flop no matter what might be the only way to win and you may get called as a big dog.

[betgo]

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You are allowed to fold whenever the action is on you.

The implication was UTG+1 was light.

JJ is not calling a raise to 45K, probably.

The hand is no good against further action.

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You raise to 45K and someone who has you covered puts you allin. You are calling 65K to win 175K, so you are 2.7-1 pot odds. How can you say the hand is no good? Isn't there enough chance you are not dominated to call? You are allowed to fold, but why put yourself in position to fold TT with 2.7-1 pot odds. Sklansky talks in TPFAP about not raising with TT or AQs when a reraise would put you in a difficult situation.

UTG raiser could easily have JJ-AA. How do you say 2nd position caller is light? A 2nd position caller of an UTG raise probably has a strong enough hand to raise himself if UTG didn't raise. There is some possibility 2nd position could have AA also. Plus you have most of the table to act.

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Not sure but it sounds like you are advocating raising and plaaninga call to a push pre flop. I understand the strategy but don't agree for two reasons:

1. Your planning to get the right pot odds to call as a 2.7-1 dog. You are on day two of a major tourney facing at least one solid player. I think you can pick a better spot with the chip stack. You have zero chips invested at this point with what looks like a marginal hand to a UTG raise and a smooth call and 7 players left to act

2. If your reraise gets flat called by one or more stacks (lot of action behind you) there are not too many boards you are going to like. The pot will be so big that pushing post flop no matter what might be the only way to win and you may get called as a big dog.

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No, I'm saying you can't reraise in this situation. You have to call or fold.