Major live tourny...pocket 10's dilemma

[seke2]

I think you can lay this down. You have a great player who you respect making a standard UTG raise on a stack larger than yours, and then a very tricky crafty player who flat-calls off 20% of his stack. You're also acting 3rd here at what is presumably close to a full ring table, so there's a lot of potential action behind you too.

I lay this one down. Probably lay down JJ too, but QQ would start to get interesting.

[THAY3R]

ummmm... why isn't anyone recommending for him to call?

[nath]

I'M not laying down tens here.
I also don't play many live events and I play aggressively.
Whether I flat call or come over the top largely depends on what I think UTG's range is for raising and what he would call with.

[betgo]

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I'M not laying down tens here.
I also don't play many live events and I play aggressively.
Whether I flat call or come over the top largely depends on what I think UTG's range is for raising and what he would call with.

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I would probably flat call. I don't think you can reraise. Any reraise pot commits you and it is way to dangerous to make an overbet push from 3rd position at an UTG raiser and 2nd position caller with TT.

[seke2]

I'd kind of like to hear a justification for why you should call a raise and a flatcall of that raise with 6-7 players left to act behind you holding TT. What sort of boards, other than an obvious set, will you feel comfortable playing? What do you do if the other 2 are betting hard on an all undercard flop?

[locutus2002]

It's very situational.

I like the squeeze play, but its risky because you are behind a tight range for UTG which is most likely. He needs to fold this 1/2 the time for this to be profitable ~(AK--, JJ--).

I don't like a call because:
I doubt you can get another 45K (on avg) of someone elses money to justify the implied odds.
You expose yourself to a huge squeeze play from another player that you don't want to call
The hand will play badly ATF even with position.



It's probably safest just to fold.

[betgo]

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It's very situational.

I like the squeeze play, but its risky because you are behind a tight range for UTG which is most likely. He needs to fold this 1/2 the time for this to be profitable ~(AK--, JJ--).

I don't like a call because:
I doubt you can get another 45K (on avg) of someone elses money to justify the implied odds.
You expose yourself to a huge squeeze play from another player that you don't want to call
The hand will play badly ATF even with position.



It's probably safest just to fold.

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You can't make a squeeze play here. You are essentially committing all your chips. If you raise to 40K, you can't fold to a third raise.

Isn't there way too much of a chance that the UTG raiser or 2nd position caller has TT dominated? There is also about a 10% chance that one of the players left to act has you dominated (4/221 * 7 = 28/221; since sometimes 2 players have JJ-AA and it may be 9-handed, we;ll say 10%).

[locutus2002]

You are allowed to fold whenever the action is on you.

The implication was UTG+1 was light.

JJ is not calling a raise to 45K, probably.

The hand is no good against further action.

[betgo]

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You are allowed to fold whenever the action is on you.

The implication was UTG+1 was light.

JJ is not calling a raise to 45K, probably.

The hand is no good against further action.

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You raise to 45K and someone who has you covered puts you allin. You are calling 65K to win 175K, so you are 2.7-1 pot odds. How can you say the hand is no good? Isn't there enough chance you are not dominated to call? You are allowed to fold, but why put yourself in position to fold TT with 2.7-1 pot odds. Sklansky talks in TPFAP about not raising with TT or AQs when a reraise would put you in a difficult situation.

UTG raiser could easily have JJ-AA. How do you say 2nd position caller is light? A 2nd position caller of an UTG raise probably has a strong enough hand to raise himself if UTG didn't raise. There is some possibility 2nd position could have AA also. Plus you have most of the table to act.