Killing off the little guy (this time it's internet radio)

[NeBlis]

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So, again. I would like to see an example of a scarce idea. Not an idea that someone thinks is important and only shares with people under certain circumstances.


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2+2 is a unique scarce idea. forums and poker are not.

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2+2 is an idea?

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I'm patenting 4. And suing everyone who is older than three. You're harming me by not paying me royalties; I'm entited to those since I decided to market 4.

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You know that I ment 2+2 the company. This is hard enough to keep on track without the red herrings

[Skidoo]

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The idea is that people can protect their own valuable time and efforts. I don't feel like helping protect Britney Spears' time and efforts.

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To the extent that the market value of creative innovation is unprotected, and thus effectively redistributed through collectivization, the incentives for such activity disappear.

[Brainwalter]

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The idea is that people can protect their own valuable time and efforts. I don't feel like helping protect Britney Spears' time and efforts.

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To the extent that the market value of creative innovation is unprotected, and thus effectively redistributed through collectivization, the incentives for such activity disappear.

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I think I have a response to this but I would like you to rephrase it first, that is a confusing sentence.

[NeBlis]

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Again, you are confusing the dictionary definition of scarcity and the economic definition of scarcity. This is often the first thing you learn in an economics class.


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I am not IMO I believe that you are using an artificially narrow definition of scarcity that suits your argument.

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The "goodness" or "badness" of an idea has nothing to do with its economic scarcity. Your having the idea (good or bad) does not prevent me from having the same idea.


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I cannot have the same idea as you unless you are talking about vague simple ideas like "I like ice cream" You or I will not ever have the same scarce idea as Van Gogh, Jimmy Hendrix, or David Sklansky. We may have similar ideas but not the same idea.

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Personally, I'd rather leave contracts out of the discussion as I'm already in agreement with you on that and it just muddies the waters on the issue of whether ideas can be scarce.



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I am saying that this contractual ownership of ideas is inherent in the idea itself. We may add additional contracts to to transaction of ideas but ownership of unique ideas is part and parcel of the idea and part of what makes it scarce.

[BCPVP]

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The idea is that people can protect their own valuable time and efforts. I don't feel like helping protect Britney Spears' time and efforts.

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To the extent that the market value of creative innovation is unprotected, and thus effectively redistributed through collectivization, the incentives for such activity disappear.

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Perhaps you can explain how people have been inventing since the dawn of time if they had no incentive to do so.

[WillMagic]

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You know that I ment 2+2 the company. This is hard enough to keep on track without the red herrings

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Right, 2+2 is a company and not an idea. Companies are scarce, ideas aren't. Next.

[bobman0330]

To relate back to the original point, if some contractual form of copyright protection would exist in ACland, why wouldn't we expect to see exactly this result? The RIAA would still own all or nearly all of the copyrights (having a collective bargaining agent is more efficient than each artist handing licensing and enforcement on his own), and they would still feel threatened by the internet radio paradigm. So what's to prevent them from charging whatever royalties they want?

[Nielsio]

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Nielsio, I apologize for the hijack. Interested in where you stand on the IP issue as it relates directly to the position in your OP.

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I'll get back to it.

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My position on IP:

* Nobody has any right to forcefully rule over my body and my possessions.

* No part of the market should be violently monopolized by anyone, in any area.

* Groups have NO moral content. There are only individuals and there are only actions of individuals. Judge people on their actions and NOTHING else.


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If you want to provide an 'IP' service, then that's fine by me, as long as you respect the above points. And then the market will decide if it's a viable idea or not. If you'll start extorting people you'll be viewed as a criminal gang and be dealt with accordingly.

That's the extent to which I care about IP.

I'm not in the business of designing society. Designing society is a statist' activity and I want no part of it.

[NeBlis]

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You know that I ment 2+2 the company. This is hard enough to keep on track without the red herrings

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Right, 2+2 is a company and not an idea. Companies are scarce, ideas aren't. Next.

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Wrong 2+2 is a company that markets the unique scarce ideas of DS MM and all the rest.

The idea to create the company now known as 2+2 is even a scarce idea. Lots of companys exist and lots of people have thought of starting a company. But 2+2 and the ideas involved in it are scarce and unique.

[pvn]

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You know that I ment 2+2 the company. This is hard enough to keep on track without the red herrings

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So you're going to stop with the contract stuff?