Is there even a close second to Jimi Hendrix?

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I don't think Hendrix can be touched in terms of pure jamming or going nuts by himself. This is his strong point and it often seems like many of his song exist only to get to the solo. Someone like Jimmy Page is certainly a lot more versatile and probably a better songwriter overall. Jimi's my favorite guitarist, but he's an awful singer and I often wish he had just played in a band. Jimi is the only guitarist where I feel like God himself is playing during the solos (particularly live).

Also, to the guy whose friend saw Zeppelin 4 times and said they sucked, wtf? All of the early live stuff I've heard has been amazing and often much better than the recorded versions, imo. Check out the DVD box set that came out a few years ago and see if disc one changes your mind.

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I was just about to say that their early live performances were much better than their later ones.

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I put both Page and Clapton above Hendrix.

Page was better at: Composing, performing, showmanship, soloing, changing gears, and better with the acoustic, and bow-playing.

Hendrix was great at what he did, I'll admit, but he had many less dimensions than did Page. Most great guitarists just say Hendrix was the bomb and better than them because he a) is dead b) was American and c) was black. That's right I said it.

If the grim reaper showed up and said I have to pick a guitarist to compose and perform a good enough rock song to keep me alive, I'd pick Page everytime over Hendrix. Unless the reaper was wearing a Mariners hat or something.

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Where do you come up with this stuff about dead, American, and black? You think Clapton, Townshend, Vaughan, Santana, et al are thinking about these very things when they acknowledge Hendrix's genius?

I think many today underestimate or forget just how powerful Hendrix's innovations in technique were back then. We take them for granted nowadays, i.e. his ability to control feedback, use the whammy bar, wah pedal, various effects, etc. Sure he didn't invent these things but he just took these elements to an entirely different level, much of which has yet to be replicated. Not to mention that his showmanship is on par to that of Page's; whomever you think had "better" showmanship is a matter of stylistic preference (playing guitar with your teeth vs. playing with a violin bow in a laser light pyramid).

Look at my avatar, I'm a huge Page fan. He is quite diverse in his style and composing ability. But I don't think you've listened to enough Hendrix... check out some of his Band of Gypsys and live stuff. There are tons of bootlegs and outtakes out there which reveal his true virtuosity and are only just now coming to light to the masses...

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dizong, if I liked what I heard from Hendrix more than I do, then I would delve into all of his "works", and probably give him more of a "fair shot". But why bother? It would be unnatural for me to force myself to listen to his stuff in an attempt to like it or appreciate it more. Don't get me wrong, he's great, but way way overrated due to things that are out of his control.

And FWIW, I didn't even discover Zeppelin until well after Jimi, et al. I basically was forced to go purchase and play guitar after I discovered Page. He showed how a guitar should be used, and what it can add to the overall picture. Had I never heard Page, I'd have no idea how truly awesome the instrument is.

Cliff notes: Jimi is awesome, but he's no Jimmy.

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This is not up for discussion. Hendrix may be the better performer. But at a talent standpoint. Page is the best guitar player ever. Just watch the Led Zep DVD { the one with the desert on the cover}

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I just might have to do that. Although I'll still cringe if he does the violin stick routine.
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Jimmy Page had a period of greatness, like a lot of artists. Led Zeppelin recorded some of my favorite all-time albums, but what did he do after that. Not exactly greatest of all-time material. He 'was' awesome but now he's kind of a has been in a way. I'd rank someone like Keith Richards higher than Page.

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And I'd rank you below Dead in posting ability.

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Yea I admit Keith was a bad choice, just popped out. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

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I put both Page and Clapton above Hendrix.

Page was better at: Composing, performing, showmanship, soloing, changing gears, and better with the acoustic, and bow-playing.

Hendrix was great at what he did, I'll admit, but he had many less dimensions than did Page. Most great guitarists just say Hendrix was the bomb and better than them because he a) is dead b) was American and c) was black. That's right I said it.

If the grim reaper showed up and said I have to pick a guitarist to compose and perform a good enough rock song to keep me alive, I'd pick Page everytime over Hendrix. Unless the reaper was wearing a Mariners hat or something.

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Jesus Christ you're retarded. Both for putting Clapton above Hendrix and for bringing race into this.

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I put both Page and Clapton above Hendrix.

Page was better at: Composing, performing, showmanship, soloing, changing gears, and better with the acoustic, and bow-playing.

Hendrix was great at what he did, I'll admit, but he had many less dimensions than did Page. Most great guitarists just say Hendrix was the bomb and better than them because he a) is dead b) was American and c) was black. That's right I said it.

If the grim reaper showed up and said I have to pick a guitarist to compose and perform a good enough rock song to keep me alive, I'd pick Page everytime over Hendrix. Unless the reaper was wearing a Mariners hat or something.

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Jesus Christ you're retarded. Both for putting Clapton above Hendrix and for bringing race into this.

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I don't see how you could say Page was better at performing or showmanship than Hendrix. Not that they should even matter as far as who's a better player is concerned, but
Hendrix was such a great showman that near the end he started to just stand still at the mic and play, self-consciously thinking people were coming to see his stage antics, setting the guitar on fire, playing behind his back and with his teeth etc. instead of coming for the music. The Monterey performance already mentioned instantly put him on the map and he just plain blew everbody away. The Who, who weren't too shabby in the showmanship category refused to follow Hendrix at Monterey (and he was all but unknown but they knew him from England) because they knew he would steal the show. I think The Dead had the misfortune of playing between them and by most accounts they played a hot set but they went largely forgotten for the Monterey gig. Hendrix stole the show

As far as soloing goes I'd submit the solo for Machine Gun recorded at The Fillmore on New Years eve '69 as one of the best ever by anyone.

When I think of Page I think of a great guitarist in an even greater band. With Hendrix all that goes out the window and he stands alone as the best there ever was.

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I put both Page and Clapton above Hendrix.

Page was better at: Composing, performing, showmanship, soloing, changing gears, and better with the acoustic, and bow-playing.

Hendrix was great at what he did, I'll admit, but he had many less dimensions than did Page. Most great guitarists just say Hendrix was the bomb and better than them because he a) is dead b) was American and c) was black. That's right I said it.

If the grim reaper showed up and said I have to pick a guitarist to compose and perform a good enough rock song to keep me alive, I'd pick Page everytime over Hendrix. Unless the reaper was wearing a Mariners hat or something.

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Jesus Christ you're retarded. Both for putting Clapton above Hendrix and for bringing race into this.

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I don't see how you could say Page was better at performing or showmanship than Hendrix. Not that they should even matter as far as who's a better player is concerned, but
Hendrix was such a great showman that near the end he started to just stand still at the mic and play, self-consciously thinking people were coming to see his stage antics, setting the guitar on fire, playing behind his back and with his teeth etc. instead of coming for the music. The Monterey performance already mentioned instantly put him on the map and he just plain blew everbody away. The Who, who weren't too shabby in the showmanship category refused to follow Hendrix at Monterey (and he was all but unknown but they knew him from England) because they knew he would steal the show. I think The Dead had the misfortune of playing between them and by most accounts they played a hot set but they went largely forgotten for the Monterey gig. Hendrix stole the show

As far as soloing goes I'd submit the solo for Machine Gun recorded at The Fillmore on New Years eve '69 as one of the best ever by anyone.

When I think of Page I think of a great guitarist in an even greater band. With Hendrix all that goes out the window and he stands alone as the best there ever was.

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You're failing to even acknowledge that Page is 100x the composer that Hendrix was. I'm sorry, but musically speaking, Page was a "better guitarist".

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I put both Page and Clapton above Hendrix.

Page was better at: Composing, performing, showmanship, soloing, changing gears, and better with the acoustic, and bow-playing.

Hendrix was great at what he did, I'll admit, but he had many less dimensions than did Page. Most great guitarists just say Hendrix was the bomb and better than them because he a) is dead b) was American and c) was black. That's right I said it.

If the grim reaper showed up and said I have to pick a guitarist to compose and perform a good enough rock song to keep me alive, I'd pick Page everytime over Hendrix. Unless the reaper was wearing a Mariners hat or something.

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Jesus Christ you're retarded. Both for putting Clapton above Hendrix and for bringing race into this.

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I don't see how you could say Page was better at performing or showmanship than Hendrix. Not that they should even matter as far as who's a better player is concerned, but
Hendrix was such a great showman that near the end he started to just stand still at the mic and play, self-consciously thinking people were coming to see his stage antics, setting the guitar on fire, playing behind his back and with his teeth etc. instead of coming for the music. The Monterey performance already mentioned instantly put him on the map and he just plain blew everbody away. The Who, who weren't too shabby in the showmanship category refused to follow Hendrix at Monterey (and he was all but unknown but they knew him from England) because they knew he would steal the show. I think The Dead had the misfortune of playing between them and by most accounts they played a hot set but they went largely forgotten for the Monterey gig. Hendrix stole the show

As far as soloing goes I'd submit the solo for Machine Gun recorded at The Fillmore on New Years eve '69 as one of the best ever by anyone.

When I think of Page I think of a great guitarist in an even greater band. With Hendrix all that goes out the window and he stands alone as the best there ever was.

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You're failing to even acknowledge that Page is 100x the composer that Hendrix was. I'm sorry, but musically speaking, Page was a "better guitarist".

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Maybe in your opinion. The rest of the world and a heck of a lot of great guitar players seem to differ with you. I guess we'll have to just leave it at that and agree to disagree.

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I put both Page and Clapton above Hendrix.

Page was better at: Composing, performing, showmanship, soloing, changing gears, and better with the acoustic, and bow-playing.

Hendrix was great at what he did, I'll admit, but he had many less dimensions than did Page. Most great guitarists just say Hendrix was the bomb and better than them because he a) is dead b) was American and c) was black. That's right I said it.

If the grim reaper showed up and said I have to pick a guitarist to compose and perform a good enough rock song to keep me alive, I'd pick Page everytime over Hendrix. Unless the reaper was wearing a Mariners hat or something.

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Jesus Christ you're retarded. Both for putting Clapton above Hendrix and for bringing race into this.

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I don't see how you could say Page was better at performing or showmanship than Hendrix. Not that they should even matter as far as who's a better player is concerned, but
Hendrix was such a great showman that near the end he started to just stand still at the mic and play, self-consciously thinking people were coming to see his stage antics, setting the guitar on fire, playing behind his back and with his teeth etc. instead of coming for the music. The Monterey performance already mentioned instantly put him on the map and he just plain blew everbody away. The Who, who weren't too shabby in the showmanship category refused to follow Hendrix at Monterey (and he was all but unknown but they knew him from England) because they knew he would steal the show. I think The Dead had the misfortune of playing between them and by most accounts they played a hot set but they went largely forgotten for the Monterey gig. Hendrix stole the show

As far as soloing goes I'd submit the solo for Machine Gun recorded at The Fillmore on New Years eve '69 as one of the best ever by anyone.

When I think of Page I think of a great guitarist in an even greater band. With Hendrix all that goes out the window and he stands alone as the best there ever was.

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You're failing to even acknowledge that Page is 100x the composer that Hendrix was. I'm sorry, but musically speaking, Page was a "better guitarist".

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Maybe in your opinion. The rest of the world and a heck of a lot of great guitar players seem to differ with you. I guess we'll have to just leave it at that and agree to disagree.

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If you are saying that the rest of the world thinks Hendrix was a better composer with the guitar than was Page, we'd probably have a lot of other things to disagree about. Like what 2+2 equals, what color the sky is...etc.

Seriously though, it really doesn't matter. Somebody starts a thread saying nobody is close to Hendrix..I'm going to throw a vote in for my boy. I suppose I was out of line.

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I put both Page and Clapton above Hendrix.

Page was better at: Composing, performing, showmanship, soloing, changing gears, and better with the acoustic, and bow-playing.

Hendrix was great at what he did, I'll admit, but he had many less dimensions than did Page. Most great guitarists just say Hendrix was the bomb and better than them because he a) is dead b) was American and c) was black. That's right I said it.

If the grim reaper showed up and said I have to pick a guitarist to compose and perform a good enough rock song to keep me alive, I'd pick Page everytime over Hendrix. Unless the reaper was wearing a Mariners hat or something.

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Jesus Christ you're retarded. Both for putting Clapton above Hendrix and for bringing race into this.

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I don't see how you could say Page was better at performing or showmanship than Hendrix. Not that they should even matter as far as who's a better player is concerned, but
Hendrix was such a great showman that near the end he started to just stand still at the mic and play, self-consciously thinking people were coming to see his stage antics, setting the guitar on fire, playing behind his back and with his teeth etc. instead of coming for the music. The Monterey performance already mentioned instantly put him on the map and he just plain blew everbody away. The Who, who weren't too shabby in the showmanship category refused to follow Hendrix at Monterey (and he was all but unknown but they knew him from England) because they knew he would steal the show. I think The Dead had the misfortune of playing between them and by most accounts they played a hot set but they went largely forgotten for the Monterey gig. Hendrix stole the show

As far as soloing goes I'd submit the solo for Machine Gun recorded at The Fillmore on New Years eve '69 as one of the best ever by anyone.

When I think of Page I think of a great guitarist in an even greater band. With Hendrix all that goes out the window and he stands alone as the best there ever was.

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You're failing to even acknowledge that Page is 100x the composer that Hendrix was. I'm sorry, but musically speaking, Page was a "better guitarist".

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Maybe in your opinion. The rest of the world and a heck of a lot of great guitar players seem to differ with you. I guess we'll have to just leave it at that and agree to disagree.

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If you are saying that the rest of the world thinks Hendrix was a better composer with the guitar than was Page, we'd probably have a lot of other things to disagree about. Like what 2+2 equals, what color the sky is...etc.

Seriously though, it really doesn't matter. Somebody starts a thread saying nobody is close to Hendrix..I'm going to throw a vote in for my boy. I suppose I was out of line.

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I was talking about better guitarist. I'm a huge Zeppelin fan btw. Easily in my top 5. But you've got to be able to admit that on most lists Jimi will always be listed #1. We all have our personal favorites and mine are always changing and growing as I'm turned on to new stuff, but in this discussion it will always be Hendrix vs. the rest.