AA interesting spot (3/6 NL)

[DJ Sensei]

I'm not folding yet, thats for sure.

Given the stack and fish situation he could easily be coldcalling with a wider range here, but AA is still AA, and unless he flopped a flush or a set you're still ahead. Much of his range will be things like KcK, QcQ, or even KK with no club.

So I think call, lead safe turn is a good plan. Although stack sizes aren't too good for either a medium lead or a shove. oh well, either works. you could even get tricky and check the turn to him. actually i kinda like that.

[jamiezig]

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surely his range is still mostly big pairs, with the CC pre, right?

in a normal situation, i would call, and bomb a blank turn (most likely shoving)

here, I think it's a lot closer since it sucks to give up a big stack when you have the jesus seat on the megadonk with a big stack, and since apparently his CCing range is a bit wider, and contains a lot more hands that have us in bad->realbad shape

the fact that you lose so much future EV when you lose this pot might swing it to a fold

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agreed. though i'm guessing i'd prolly end up calling and c/f turn.

[EC10]

seems like the only time you're ahead of CO is when he has KcKx / QcQx

i really dont mind a flop fold. im not sure everyone is remembering that the UTG donk folded and it's now back to Hero heads up vs the CO regular

[Game_On]

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I'm not folding yet, thats for sure.

Given the stack and fish situation he could easily be coldcalling with a wider range here, but AA is still AA, and unless he flopped a flush or a set you're still ahead. Much of his range will be things like KcK, QcQ, or even KK with no club.

So I think call, lead safe turn is a good plan. Although stack sizes aren't too good for either a medium lead or a shove. oh well, either works. you could even get tricky and check the turn to him. actually i kinda like that.

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AGreed. u people saying folding are a lil crazy.

[DJ Sensei]

point: if we stack CO we have enough chips to take on the donk's whole empire. perhaps that makes it worth our while to be optimistic?

[EC10]

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point: if we stack CO we have enough chips to take on the donk's whole empire. perhaps that makes it worth our while to be optimistic?

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do you think we EVER stack CO here?

unless he has specifically KK/QQ with a club and we fade, i dont see it happening. hes a TAG regular and we'd be showing an ass load of strength continuing with the hand here.

[jamiezig]

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point: if we stack CO we have enough chips to take on the donk's whole empire. perhaps that makes it worth our while to be optimistic?

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we don't need as many men as him since we're a better field general. We win a few skirmishes and we'll have same # of men.

[GOONERCAM]

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I'm not folding yet, thats for sure.

Given the stack and fish situation he could easily be coldcalling with a wider range here, but AA is still AA, and unless he flopped a flush or a set you're still ahead. Much of his range will be things like KcK, QcQ, or even KK with no club.

So I think call, lead safe turn is a good plan. Although stack sizes aren't too good for either a medium lead or a shove. oh well, either works. you could even get tricky and check the turn to him. actually i kinda like that.

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AGreed. u people saying folding are a lil crazy.

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It is definitely not as clear cut as some ppl are making out. NO WAY!!!

[Requin]

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I shove all day. He can be isoraising really easily with a worse hand (you said donk was bad enough to call even this reraise on the flop really really thinly), or protecting a worse one.

[Hindsight2020]

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I shove all day

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why do you think shoving is > call/lead turn?

we are not way ahead of most of the hands in his range here, and our equity improves dramatically when we get it in on a blank turn

sometimes, we get blown off the best hand, when a club hits, but how often are we ahead here, when a club hits, anyway?