Weird Live Ethics Question

[TheNewf]

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Dude, giving a guy money back because he can't read the board is like giving a guy money back because he played a hand horribly and got stacked. It's not your fault that he can't read the board, which is an incredibly vital poker skill.

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[Nick Bradshaw]

cards hit the muck...what am i missing??

[Tommy Angelo]

FF,

Here are some reasons to not give him any money that I don’t think have been mentioned yet.

The guy making all the noise might be making it up just because people are goofy and they do stuff like that. And it’s the guys who are willing to just say the same thing over and over are the ones most likely to just make it up in the first place. I’ve seen this before. Come to think of it I think I might have done it.

The fact that your opponent doesn’t speak English matters. It means your intent -- to be a good dude and do what you consider to be the right thing -- might be impossible to convey, partly because your opponent might not even fathom the possibility of such a generous act. I would think of this as a variable to weigh in: What is the probability (because of the language barrier) that you would get the feel-good feeling you’re after?

But here’s the main reason to not give him anything. Unless you give it to him out of your pocket, you are breaking one of the rules that is just as black-and-white, and as essential, as the one-player-to-a-hand rule. You are not allowed to reduce your stack, even if you give the money to another player. So, if there is no chance in your mind that you would actually come out of pocket to give your opponent some money, then you are saved from second guessing. You definitely did the right thing by not giving him any money because you would have had to break one the great rules to do it.

Tommy

[TheSalche]

Maybe I'm being a bit of a jerk here, but this situation isn't much different than any other mucked winning cards situation. If he can't read the numbers/letters on the board well enough, then he shouldn't be sitting down at the table in the first place. Nobody forced him there, and if he's playing the game he has to play by the same rules as everybody else does.

[Apathy]

On top of what tommy said you need to realise thatif this happened to you there is no chance you would be getting any money. Even from the jerk who keeps talking about it. The guy couldve just been saying all that to tilt you anyways.

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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On top of what tommy said you need to realise thatif this happened to you there is no chance you would be getting any money.

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This doesn't really rsonate with me. If giving him $$$ back is the right/appropriate thing to do the fact that other people are jerks that don't do it doesn't suddenly abrogate the responsibility to pay him back.

[aggie]

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I didn't give him any money back because the thought honestly didn't cross my mind. About 20 minutes later other guy mentions I should (he wouldn't shut up and was very annoying) and I blew off the suggestion because I was so fed up with this guy complaining about something that didn't involve him. But the more I think about it the more I think kirkrr's thoughts are probably right on and that if I could go back I'd give him half the pot.

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It's an annoyance that some shmuck pointed out what he had....Good thing for you the guy didn't speak english and probably didn't understand. Giving the guy any portion of the pot would be nothing more than a charitable donation. I'm sure you can find a much more worthwhile cause than some probable rich asian guy. Think of how many starving African babies you could feed with that money.

[Apathy]

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On top of what tommy said you need to realise thatif this happened to you there is no chance you would be getting any money.

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This doesn't really rsonate with me. If giving him $$$ back is the right/appropriate thing to do the fact that other people are jerks that don't do it doesn't suddenly abrogate the responsibility to pay him back.

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I agree to that sentiment in general, in this case though I don't think you have any responsibility in any form to pay him back and I was just trying to make you feel better [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[dlpnyc21]

it's not your fault, there is no guarantee he had AA, the other guy could have just been bsing for some reason. Thus, I don't think you should do anything in this hand.

You should, though, in future hands with this opponent, ask to see his hand for the sake of integrity.

dlpnyc21

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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You should, though, in future hands with this opponent, ask to see his hand for the sake of integrity.

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99% of the time this would just slow down the game while seeming very dickish (asking to see a hand is a serious breach of etiquette and he'd probably just be confused and i'd have to explain myself to anyone at the table who asks)