[$11] strong draw, 3-bet shove?

[sputniks]

hi, first post. thanks for your help. in hindsight this seems like a good spot to crai (comments?) since I lose FE 3-betting.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t4135
UTG+1: t1800
MP1: t2095
MP2: t1025
CO: t870
Button: t1390
SB: t960
Hero: t1225

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls t100 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t150)</font>, 3 folds, SB calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t250)</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t300, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t200</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to t600</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in t1125</font>?

[Iwineverypot]

This looks like a strong draw but I can almost guarantee your flush outs are dead, which means you need to hit your straight or the straight flush(which is included in your straight cards). Basically you are drawing to an open ended straight, n2m someone might already have a flush which means you're drawing to 2 outs. Not to mention the fact that even if you're not up against a better flush draw, you're likely up against 2pr or a set which also have redraws to a boat when you do even happen to get there.


edit: once u decided to lead out and make the pot a total of 500, your only option is to push over his raise so, leading out lets the hand play itself. Just pray that all your outs are clean.

[sputniks]

when you put it like that it sounds obvious, much appreciated

[BriPlay]

I m not sure this draw is a strong as it looks. Question for all; can you fold to the raise on this flop?

the way i see it you have 6 true outs (sevens and Qs) to the most likely hand for villan whcih IMHO is piece of flop and flush draw that beats yours. chance of MP1 having a higher diamond are extremely good in my opinion. A9,QJ,KJ, even AT with one d are all real possiblities.

What hands can he have that you beat? AJ/KJ maybe PP with no diamond i guess. l since you are pot committed if you call; what do you all think of a fold here?

[BriPlay]

i agree (see my post). but i wonder if you still cant get away after this reraise. pot is 500 you have ~1000 left and you would be pot committeed if you call; but not if you fold here imho.

thoughts?