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Old 02-02-2007, 11:13 AM
paddymcg21 paddymcg21 is offline
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Default Re: Why Raise with Suited Connectors? (NLHE)

The main reason I would raise with suited connectors is for the chance to win a very big pot against an aggressive player. For example raising with 7d 8d will either hit something good and win money or completely miss and is easy to get away from. If the flop comes 5d 6s 2d (obv this is a nice flop that wont happen too often) Your aggressive opponent is most probably not in the mood to fold to your bet on a flop that really looks about as threatening as Robbie Savage. Also if you show down your 7d 8d, players will know that your more than just a 1 trick pony and are capable of mixing it up. All this may sound obvious but surely one of the key things for any poker player is to be difficult to read. If you only play premium hands then surely you're easier to play against no??
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Old 02-02-2007, 12:23 PM
mvdgaag mvdgaag is offline
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Default Re: Why Raise with Suited Connectors? (NLHE)

kbinder... your calculation is correct, but you forgot people don't call with random hands AND they don't even limp with random hands. Preflop, only the blinds have money in the pot and a true random hand.
Also your calculation is who wins if everyone goes to the river (including yourself). There can be many scary boards where you just don't know if your aces (or any other big pair) are good when multiway. You will make more mistakes according to the fundamental theorem of poker (Sklansky, NLHE theory and practice), so you will gain less than you assume.
In other words: You forget you don't win that amount of money of your opponents that fold before the river, but it is harder for you to dertermine when you can make up for this by folding yourself (in a multiway pot).

You are completely forgetting any post flop play. EV postflop is so great with suited connectors in multiway pots, because it only costs you the prelfop amount if you don't catch a draw (4 out of 5 times) but you have around 40% equity in the pot on average of you do get your draw. This equity (unlike big pairs) does not depend a lot on the amount of players in the pot, since you are drawing to a bigger hand than they are most of the time. So your profits rise almost linearly with the amount of players in the pot.

so EV = -(4/5)Preflop + (1/5)(0.4)River

Where:
Preflop = the betsize/blindsize preflop
River = the size of the pot on the river (incl. preflop)

For the River amount a pot was built by a certain amount of players. They all put in their share, but as long as you have am equity bigger than your share of the money you gain by putting in more money;

Number of players - Percentage in pot - Equity
2 50% 40%
3 33% 40%
4 25% 40%
5 20% 40%
6 17% 40%

So you are profitable post flop from 2 or more opponents, since you're equity is larger than the percentage of the money put in the pot by you. The more players, the better. I kept the equity on 40% because that is just a guess... It will probably drop a bit with more players, but I guess it would range between 50% and 35% with a 40% average.

I hope this made sense, GL
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