DeathDonkey is in the well

[DeathDonkey]

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What do you feel is the biggest diff between 1/2-2/4, my current online game, and 5/10? 30/60?

<font color="blue"> Aggression and second level thinking. At low stakes when you miss a flop and your opponent misses the flop, you will win if you were the last aggressor. At higher stakes, you will have to fight for that pot. Your opponent is thinking you missed it too and you have to beat him by using his over-optimism against him. The ways to do this are not nearly as clear as the ways to beat a "fit or fold" player.</font>

I've played as high as 30/60 live and to me there was very little diference outside of aggression between that game and my normal 8/16 game. Did I just find some good games, or is 30/60 live just as horrible (pretty sure I alreadt know the answer)? The NorCal and Vegas games always seem juicy...

<font color="blue"> Sounds about right but you are understating the aggression IMO. I would venture a guess that you ran well in the 30/60 game you played and so the aggression didn't bother you so much because you always had a hand. When you don't have a hand the aggression ranges from annoying to very dangerous. </font>

At what point/limit, do you think online games become glaringly more difficult to beat if any? Live?

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Online games are way more difficult at micro and small stakes than equivalent live games. I mean a 4/8 game at the Bellagio plays like a 10c/20c game online probably. The high high stakes games live are difficult because there are no equivalents online, but I'd say at 100/200 and above the games are fairly equivalent.

-DeathDonkey

[bravos1]

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<font color="blue"> Sounds about right but you are understating the aggression IMO. I would venture a guess that you ran well in the 30/60 game you played and so the aggression didn't bother you so much because you always had a hand. When you don't have a hand the aggression ranges from annoying to very dangerous. </font>

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Actually, I didn't run that good at all. The aggression was the main thing that showed me that I was not really ready for that game then (about 8 months ago). I played it twice and basically broke even the first time and lost 15BBs the second time. The games were playing pretty similar to online 6max games which at that time I was not used to. It was still very common to see a flop of 5-6 people in a raised pot with people WAY overplaying weak top pair and other similarily weak holdings. No one batted an eye when someone cold-called 2 with K8s or 3 w/ AJo, etc.


I agree 100% that live and online games at similar limits play WAY different. I have brought up several times, that the 8/16 games I play are very similar to .25/.50 and .5/1.

Which 3-4 2p2ers do you respect the most in regards to their play?

BTW, thx for taking the time to participate in this well.

[DeathDonkey]

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Which 3-4 2p2ers do you respect the most in regards to their play?

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Ouch, throwing a hardball. For high limit holdem I'll say Schneids, Nikla, and ggbman.

-DeathDonkey

[Scary_Tiger]

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Which 3-4 2p2ers do you respect the most in regards to their play?

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Ouch, throwing a hardball. For high limit holdem I'll say Schneids, Nikla, and ggbman.

-DeathDonkey

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Who is Nikla?

[ledfoot]

DD,

Some additional questions from a live game perspective.


How do deal with being card dead for several or more orbits?Do you play through it, quit for that session, other?

You're in a game with more than one tough players or the dynamic is spazzy (maye consider it loose aggressive) with a lot of preflop raising and three-bets. Would you recommend leaving either or in particular in loose game, stay because the pots get big and that's how you make money?


If you're playing well yet suffering from continous bad beats, do you tough it out or perhaps take a break, table change, or whatever?


Thanks.

[aK13]

Hey DD --

So I troll the High Stakes forums, and a really common theme there is "making big folds on the river for one bet" -- i.e. 4bet/fold to a 5bet with baby flushes, 1 card straights, 2pair, etc. and frequently a lot of posters argue both ways on the end (whether to call or fold to the 5)

What's your standard line against folding on the end HU in big pots? Or do you typically just get a "gut feeling/instinct"? Do you really feel like learning how to make these types of folds end up affecting winrates much?

[DeathDonkey]

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Hey DD --

So I troll the High Stakes forums, and a really common theme there is "making big folds on the river for one bet" -- i.e. 4bet/fold to a 5bet with baby flushes, 1 card straights, 2pair, etc. and frequently a lot of posters argue both ways on the end (whether to call or fold to the 5)

What's your standard line against folding on the end HU in big pots? Or do you typically just get a "gut feeling/instinct"? Do you really feel like learning how to make these types of folds end up affecting winrates much?

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In tough games, the ability to save a big bet can be significant. There are times when you might be getting 20:1 pot odds but in reality you are 99:1 to have the best hand and that's only because the guy might misread his hand 1/100 times. This is more obvious in live poker, where there are plenty of players that when they raise the river or something, they have one exact hand, or the nuts, or you can just be certain you are beat. I tend to not take lines that result in like 3 betting and folding to a 4 bet for instance, because its bad for your image, and if your opponents do start realizing they can make a play like that your going to be in for it.

The reason a lot of posts in high stakes focus on that type of stuff is, the rest of the hand everyone knows how to play, and they are hoping to get that extra edge by making the best decision on the end in a tough situation. Often it doesn't matter too much either way, but what else are they going to ask about when they are already a solid player?

-DeathDonkey

[Jaran]

DD-

At what point in a poker player's career does it become necessary to hire a coach rather than self study/review?

Are you currently being coached/coaching anyone?

If circumstances/legal issues bring about the demise of online poker, will you continue to rely on poker as your sole source of income?

-Jaran

[tyler_cracker]

dd,

what is the meaning of life?

how is it that triple draw has such frustratingly high variance yet is so fun to play?

please describe a concept from triple draw (or some other "non-standard" game) that illuminated or clarified something about your limit hold 'em game.

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recently I learned Badeucey which is a 5 card draw game with three drawing rounds (triple draw) where the pot is split between the best 2-7 triple draw lowball hand and the best 4 card badugi hand where the nut badugi is 2345 rainbow.

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[censored] sick. where did you run into this game? is the action as crazy as i think it would be?

if you could have the abilities of any animal, what animal would you pick and why?

[DeathDonkey]

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At what point in a poker player's career does it become necessary to hire a coach rather than self study/review? <font color="blue"> I don't think it is necessary for anyone, but it can be very helpful and perhaps give you a fresh perspective, or jumpstart a stagnant player's game. I have never had a "coach" that I paid to help me get better at poker, but I frequently play with friends, talk to them on AIM, have them sweat me play, etc. which leads to me hearing their perspectives on my play and sometimes convincing me to change the way I play certain hands.</font>

Are you currently being coached/coaching anyone?<font color="blue"> no</font>

If circumstances/legal issues bring about the demise of online poker, will you continue to rely on poker as your sole source of income?<font color="blue"> Yes I will for awhile, as I really can't do anything for more money than playing at Commerce, much as I would dislike having to play live so much and be away from my home and wife. I hope that doesn't occur as I don't know what else to do really. Of course there are always fallback plans, I have my degree and all that so I'm far from the perils that some younger 2+2ers who have left school to play poker might face.</font>

-Jaran

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-DeathDonkey