Peyton Manning, Greatest QB of all time?

[Spaderess]

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I think it's very surprising to see Dan Marino of all people glorify Brady solely because of his Super Bowl rings. After reading the Patriots rant thread I think it is very surprising to see Brady even mentioned in the same breath as Peyton Manning when talking about all time greats.

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I didn't have the patience to read more then a few pages in this thread so this might be said already but ...

To get somewhere you need to define what makes a quarterback great. Is it just the stats? Leadership? The ability to win big games? Comebacks? A combination thereof?

If you choose to look at stats only, you have to put Marino on top and you have to see Manning as a future number one. (Joe Montana would probably not make the top 50)

If instead, you look at the ability to lead the team and win big games (an often used criteria), neither Marino nor Manning would be even close to the top of the list. Instead you would have Montana as number one all-time and Brady right now.

If you choose other factors, you could come to totally different conclusions.

The only certain thing: This discussion won't get anywhere without a definition of greatness.

/Spaderess