STTF SNG->cash thread

[Knight Vision]

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whats the big difference between QQ and JJ in this spot

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First let me say, I liked the way Al played this hand.

But, there is a big difference between JJ and QQ in this spot. For one, there are less scare cards that can come for QQ. There are only two overs as opposed to three to the JJ.

Second, QQ beats more hands that will like this flop, ie. JJ loves this flop.

These are significant differences.

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Word.

Now, Devin, I don't like the check/call flop as much as a raise, because we are going to hate an over on the turn. As I said, I like the line with QQ. With the Villain's stack size, we are going to feel obligated to check/call again with pretty much any turn and JJ is just not going to hold up often enough.

So, that's why I like a lead on the flop. Can you explain what you like about the JJ check/call line?

[gumpzilla]

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Now, Devin, I don't like the check/call flop as much as a raise, because we are going to hate an over on the turn. As I said, I like the line with QQ. With the Villain's stack size, we are going to feel obligated to check/call again with pretty much any turn and JJ is just not going to hold up often enough.

So, that's why I like a lead on the flop. Can you explain what you like about the JJ check/call line?

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The hand in question is a pretty good example; you've gotten AK to bluff off the rest of his stack, which is a pretty sweet outcome for you. Getting people who c-bet all the time to c-bet here with 6 outs is a pretty sweet situation for you. EDIT: For this reason, I will frequently c-bet a little less with AK here than I would with a whiffed suited connector or small pair, particularly on boards that look inviting for small hands.

[Knight Vision]

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Now, Devin, I don't like the check/call flop as much as a raise, because we are going to hate an over on the turn. As I said, I like the line with QQ. With the Villain's stack size, we are going to feel obligated to check/call again with pretty much any turn and JJ is just not going to hold up often enough.

So, that's why I like a lead on the flop. Can you explain what you like about the JJ check/call line?

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The hand in question is a pretty good example; you've gotten AK to bluff off the rest of his stack, which is a pretty sweet outcome for you. Getting people who c-bet all the time to c-bet here with 6 outs is a pretty sweet situation for you. EDIT: For this reason, I will frequently c-bet a little less with AK here than I would with a whiffed suited connector or small pair, particularly on boards that look
inviting for small hands.

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I think this is very interesting hand Al. Funny that it's found in STTF. I guess we have Suzzer to thank for that. Anyway...

As played, is Hero check/folding on a A-Q turn?

Assume Villain checked behind, turn is A-Q. Hero?

[DevinLake]

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So, that's why I like a lead on the flop. Can you explain what you like about the JJ check/call line?

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Well, without being results oriented, I like the c/c line because of exactly the way the hand played. We got AK to bluff off his stack.

The only reason I see to lead this flop is if you think the villain is A) re-raising you light preflop and B) giving you action with hands like AT, 89, 99, etc.

However, readless, you have to assume a tight range and it is questionable whether AT or 99 are in his range. So, betting is not for value. It's a bluff.

If villain is deeper this hand becomes much more interesting IMO. This is because by flat calling the flop, we are not concerned with having to make difficult turn and river calls. If no A/K/Q falls on the turn, it's an easy call and the end of our decision making.

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A) re-raising you light preflop

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If AK, AQ, and 99/88 are light, then yes that's why I would lead. But...I think I just talked myself into check/calling. Though I wish I had QQ when I was doing it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

NH Al, Devin and Gump.

edit - oops, obv not TT