Peyton Manning, Greatest QB of all time?

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PHB,

The major reason why backups are so far behind starters is that they are less talented.

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I don't know who the average NFL starter is...but if you throw his name out there, then throw out the average back-up, I really don't see much of a difference.

Hell, look at Huard, Garcia, Rosenfels, etc. Of the top of my head, those are three back-ups who got a chance in '06 and played very well. Billy Volek got a chance a couple years back in TEN and played well.

Bledsoe, Shaub, Testaverde..those are all "back-ups".

I really don't think these guys are far behind the average starter. In some cases, I think they just don't get the opportunities for whatever reason (QB controversy). And saying "talent" is a cop out. A lot of coaches couldn't see game talent if it bit them in the ass.

[THAY3R]

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I just feel lucky that I'm getting to watch one the best linebackers ever (Urlacher), one of the best RBs ever (LT) and one of the best QBs ever (Manning). It's all good.

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LOL @ putting Urlacher and LT in the same sentence as Manning.

Urlacher is the king of the tackle for an 8 yard gain, and LT's backup has outperformed him the last 3 years.

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Indianapolis had the fewest drives of any team in the league this year, which serves to depress their raw totals. Their production per drive, in yards and points, respectively:

2003: 2.48; 34.74
2004: 2.93; 39.83
2005: 2.64; 37.04
2006: 2.80; 41.03

Incidentally, 2006 is the 4th straight year that Indy has been first in the league in both categories, which is pretty damn amazing. The Rams were first in both categories for three years, 1999-2001, though with slightly lower numbers. The stat is only listed going back to 1998, but its hard to think of another, similar stretch of offensive dominance, except perhaps from Bill Walsh's San Francisco teams.

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Such as the Texans game in Week 16.

Texans TOP 35:59
Colts TOP 24:01

The Colts scored on 4 of really 5 drives. The first drive was ended on a Rhodes fumble on the second play of the game. One drive was a kneel to end the half. Their only real drive they didn't score was a punt in the 3rd I believe. Yet they still lose, lol.

Their defense kept them on the field, they were 22nd in the league in TOP. Their defense was also the best in the league at not allowing the big play, they allowed the fewest +20 and +40 yard receptions in the NFL.

[TheNoodleMan]

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PHB,

The major reason why backups are so far behind starters is that they are less talented.

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FYP.

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I don't know who the average NFL starter is...but if you throw his name out there, then throw out the average back-up, I really don't see much of a difference.

Hell, look at Huard, Garcia, Rosenfels, etc. Of the top of my head, those are three back-ups who got a chance in '06 and played very well. Billy Volek got a chance a couple years back in TEN and played well.

Bledsoe, Shaub, Testaverde..those are all "back-ups".

I really don't think these guys are far behind the average starter. In some cases, I think they just don't get the opportunities for whatever reason (QB controversy). And saying "talent" is a cop out. A lot of coaches couldn't see game talent if it bit them in the ass.

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Nice selective sample. You mentioned the 2 best backups in the league (lets give Batch some love here too, hes up there) and then threw in Rosenfels. Rosenfels entire sample is basically one game against the titans. Your second tier includes a guy who is 100 years old and a guy that gets his reputation from preseason.

Meanwhile you left out Andrew Walter and Bruce Gradkowski.

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Indianapolis had the fewest drives of any team in the league this year, which serves to depress their raw totals. Their production per drive, in yards and points, respectively:

2003: 2.48; 34.74
2004: 2.93; 39.83
2005: 2.64; 37.04
2006: 2.80; 41.03

Incidentally, 2006 is the 4th straight year that Indy has been first in the league in both categories, which is pretty damn amazing. The Rams were first in both categories for three years, 1999-2001, though with slightly lower numbers. The stat is only listed going back to 1998, but its hard to think of another, similar stretch of offensive dominance, except perhaps from Bill Walsh's San Francisco teams.

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Such as the Texans game in Week 16.

Texans TOP 35:59
Colts TOP 24:01

The Colts scored on 4 of really 5 drives. The first drive was ended on a Rhodes fumble on the second play of the game. One drive was a kneel to end the half. Their only real drive they didn't score was a punt in the 3rd I believe. Yet they still lose, lol.

Their defense kept them on the field, they were 22nd in the league in TOP. Their defense was also the best in the league at not allowing the big play, they allowed the fewest +20 and +40 yard receptions in the NFL.

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you don't need many 20yd passes when you can run for 6yards every down

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Against the Colts you often do.

[JupiterUWG]

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I just feel lucky that I'm getting to watch one the best linebackers ever (Urlacher), one of the best RBs ever (LT) and one of the best QBs ever (Manning). It's all good.

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LOL @ putting Urlacher and LT in the same sentence as Manning.

Urlacher is the king of the tackle for an 8 yard gain, and LT's backup has outperformed him the last 3 years.

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dude, do you ever make a rational thought? LT's a top 10 RB of all time already and on pace for top 3-5....

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I just feel lucky that I'm getting to watch one the best linebackers ever (Urlacher), one of the best RBs ever (LT) and one of the best QBs ever (Manning). It's all good.

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LOL @ putting Urlacher and LT in the same sentence as Manning.

Urlacher is the king of the tackle for an 8 yard gain, and LT's backup has outperformed him the last 3 years.

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dude, do you ever make a rational thought? LT's a top 10 RB of all time already and on pace for top 3-5....

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per carry Michael Turner has been better than LT each of the past 3years

[JupiterUWG]

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I just feel lucky that I'm getting to watch one the best linebackers ever (Urlacher), one of the best RBs ever (LT) and one of the best QBs ever (Manning). It's all good.

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LOL @ putting Urlacher and LT in the same sentence as Manning.

Urlacher is the king of the tackle for an 8 yard gain, and LT's backup has outperformed him the last 3 years.

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dude, do you ever make a rational thought? LT's a top 10 RB of all time already and on pace for top 3-5....

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per carry Michael Turner has been better than LT each of the past 3years

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tomlinson is averaging 2012!!!!!!! yards from scrimmage per year for his career, has never rushed for less than 1200 yards (never less than 1335 since rookie year).....anyone who would blindly use a yards/carry stat from a guy who gets 1/3 of the carries has to be kidding

EDIT: does anyone realize how ridiculous it is to average over 2000 yards from scrimmage a year for your entire career?

[SuperUberBob]

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PHB,

The major reason why backups are so far behind starters is that they are less talented.

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FYP.

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I don't know who the average NFL starter is...but if you throw his name out there, then throw out the average back-up, I really don't see much of a difference.

Hell, look at Huard, Garcia, Rosenfels, etc. Of the top of my head, those are three back-ups who got a chance in '06 and played very well. Billy Volek got a chance a couple years back in TEN and played well.

Bledsoe, Shaub, Testaverde..those are all "back-ups".

I really don't think these guys are far behind the average starter. In some cases, I think they just don't get the opportunities for whatever reason (QB controversy). And saying "talent" is a cop out. A lot of coaches couldn't see game talent if it bit them in the ass.

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Nice selective sample. You mentioned the 2 best backups in the league (lets give Batch some love here too, hes up there) and then threw in Rosenfels. Rosenfels entire sample is basically one game against the titans. Your second tier includes a guy who is 100 years old and a guy that gets his reputation from preseason.

Meanwhile you left out Andrew Walter, Jason Campbell, Vince Young, Jay Cutler, Tony Romo, Seneca Wallace, David Garrard, Derek Anderson and Bruce Gradkowski.

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