Peyton Manning, Greatest QB of all time?

[rwperu34]

I've argued this many times in the past. Even without the Super Bowls, Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning.

That being said, there are still a few of the all time greats that are better than both.

[battschr]

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I've argued this many times in the past. Even without the Super Bowls, Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning.

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Really? I'm not sure I've ever heard this before.

[DMBFan23]

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I've argued this many times in the past. Even without the Super Bowls, Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning.

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By what measure?

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That being said, there are still a few of the all time greats that are better than both.

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Agreed. Young = NASTY. Elway = NASTY. (although I hate the Eli Manning that he pulled when he got drafted, and had I been around for that, would not have liked him). Marino = NASTY. I think Peyton can pass some or all of these guys though.

[Edge34]

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I've argued this many times in the past. Even without the Super Bowls, Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning.

That being said, there are still a few of the all time greats that are better than both.

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I'm pretty sure there's not one single statistic that would back this up.

Peyton - single season passing TD record, multi-time NFL MVP, multi-time Pro bowler.

Brady - Rings...oh wait, you just said "without" the rings.

Here's the other thing - Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Is Tom Brady better than him? Trent Dilfer? Ben Roethlisberger? Ludicrous, right?

[Golden_Rhino]

Favre > Manning

[Richard Tanner]

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I've argued this many times in the past. Even without the Super Bowls, Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning.

That being said, there are still a few of the all time greats that are better than both.

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I'm pretty sure there's not one single statistic that would back this up.

Peyton - single season passing TD record, multi-time NFL MVP, multi-time Pro bowler.

Brady - Rings...oh wait, you just said "without" the rings.

Here's the other thing - Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Is Tom Brady better than him? Trent Dilfer? Ben Roethlisberger? Ludicrous, right?

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Careful Edge, I got lambasted in another thread for mentioning that a large argument for Brady isn't play, but rather rings.

Also I'm gonna quote Zurvan here because I agree with (and have said) exactly what he says many times before, and maybe if people keep reading it, it'll sink in.
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All athletes in all sports are at the mercy of the team that drafts them. If they get picked up by a bad organization that can't develop them as they need to be developed, or put the appropriate team around them, they have no shot to be great.

To say that Manning is only as good as he is because the Colts built around him is foolish. Of course he depends on his team to develop him & build the offense around him. All players do.

Manning is a better QB in every way than Tom Brady, except in one: Brady has a better defense. THat's it. He's still a good QB, but doesn't have the skill of Manning.

Football is the "ultimate team game". To say Brady is a better QB because he has more rings is ridiculous. Brady doesn't play all 22 positions on the field. He plays one. And he doesn't play defense, which is what earned those rings.

Of course, I'd still say Manning/Brady are 1-2 for QB talent in the league, and nobody else is challenging, yet.


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Cody

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I've argued this many times in the past. Even without the Super Bowls, Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning.

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how on gods green earth can you make this argument?

[THAY3R]

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I've argued this many times in the past. Even without the Super Bowls, Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning.

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how on gods green earth can you make this argument?

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SHUTUP MANNING HOMER

[Eagles]

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I've argued this many times in the past. Even without the Super Bowls, Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning.

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how on gods green earth can you make this argument?

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You don't get it sublime sure Manning puts up good numbers in the regular season but he can't manage games like Tom Brady does. He also doesn't let his stats get too high because he does just enough to win games instead of Peyton who pads his stats with meaningless touchdowns at the end of games. If Brady wanted to have Manning's regular seasons stats he could but instead he just wins games.

[prohornblower]

Not that I agree with your statement, but I was wondering why the F Jeff Sorgi (or whatever his name is...Colts back-up) hasn't taken a snap all regular season?

What is that about? Why does/did Manning take every snap of every game? Seriously, I'd like to see a really good argument for this.

You can throw out "well they wanted to secure HF advantage" and "a lot of their wins were close games" but that isn't enough to cut it. You shouldn't hurt your thumb in the AFC championship game and then be like "be ready!" to the dude who hasn't seen a football since the last time he saw Stuey on Family Guy.