Peyton Manning, Greatest QB of all time?

[CharlieDontSurf]

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i still think Brady has done the most with the least amount of talent around him. manning has had the pleasure of working with all pro receivers and backs compared to brady who has a bunch of nobodies usually.

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By least talent around him you must mean offensive only. This line of thought gives Brady all the credit of having less than stellar WRs but somehow Manning still takes the grief for having a subpar Def for several years.

Had the Ravens kept Dilfer and the defense won them 3 titles, would he be an all time great QB?

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that defense hurt Peyton in terms of rings...but def didnt hurt in terms of pumping up his stats

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also if Brady and Peyton switched place...i don't think Peyton has 3 rings on his fingers...probably just 1 or maybe 2

[TheNoodleMan]

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i still think Brady has done the most with the least amount of talent around him. manning has had the pleasure of working with all pro receivers and backs compared to brady who has a bunch of nobodies usually.

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By least talent around him you must mean offensive only. This line of thought gives Brady all the credit of having less than stellar WRs but somehow Manning still takes the grief for having a subpar Def for several years.

Had the Ravens kept Dilfer and the defense won them 3 titles, would he be an all time great QB?

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that defense hurt Peyton in terms of rings...but def didnt hurt in terms of pumping up his stats

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Yeah, and Brady is nothing without the rings. When he said Brady had done more with less, I don't think he was referring to yardage and TDs.

[CharlieDontSurf]

Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

[TheNoodleMan]

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Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

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The Colts pretty much were the Cardinals before Manning got there. Outside of one fluke year with Jim Harbaugh they had never won a playoff game since coming to Indy.

[CharlieDontSurf]

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Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

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The Colts pretty much were the Cardinals before Manning got there. Outside of one fluke year with Jim Harbaugh they had never won a playoff game since coming to Indy.

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Peyton isn't the reason they became great. Just like Brady isn't the reason NE won 3 superbowls.
He was a huge factor but

A someone had to choose him as their QB
B someone had to aquire WR's,Te's,Olinemen, a offensive cordinator who would realize what he had in Peyton and build the perfect system around him and his talent.

Anyone that thinks Peyton becomes an all time great QB regardless of what team he is drafted by/plays for his smoking some seriously strong weed.

[Richard Tanner]

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Anyone that thinks Peyton becomes an all time great QB regardless of what team he is drafted by/plays for his smoking some seriously strong weed.

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To do that denies that which defines Manning: his ability to be an Offensive Coordinator on the field. He's the hardest working QB in football, and his football IQ is the highest as well.
Was he sent to the Cardinals in 1998, he probably doesn't get the record for TDs, nor does he get to the playoffs, to say nothing of Wins or Losses there, but his talent would still be evident, if only to those lucky enough to watch Cards games.

Cody

[CharlieDontSurf]

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Anyone that thinks Peyton becomes an all time great QB regardless of what team he is drafted by/plays for his smoking some seriously strong weed.

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To do that denies that which defines Manning: his ability to be an Offensive Coordinator on the field. He's the hardest working QB in football, and his football IQ is the highest as well.
Was he sent to the Cardinals in 1998, he probably doesn't get the record for TDs, nor does he get to the playoffs, to say nothing of Wins or Losses there, but his talent would still be evident, if only to those lucky enough to watch Cards games.

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again...the system designed for him. On a lot of teams his talent would never be fully utilized. This is the case with many QB's

If Gary Kubiak coached Mike Vick...he probably be in the hunt for the superbowl every year.

[TheNoodleMan]

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Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

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The Colts pretty much were the Cardinals before Manning got there. Outside of one fluke year with Jim Harbaugh they had never won a playoff game since coming to Indy.

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Peyton isn't the reason they became great. Just like Brady isn't the reason NE won 3 superbowls.
He was a huge factor but

A someone had to choose him as their QB
B someone had to aquire WR's,Te's,Olinemen, a offensive cordinator who would realize what he had in Peyton and build the perfect system around him and his talent.

Anyone that thinks Peyton becomes an all time great QB regardless of what team he is drafted by/plays for his smoking some seriously strong weed.

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You can say that all you want but bad organizations seem to get turned around real quick when they get lucky enough to find a franchise QB. I guess Jim Mora must have been a developmental genius.

[CharlieDontSurf]

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Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

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The Colts pretty much were the Cardinals before Manning got there. Outside of one fluke year with Jim Harbaugh they had never won a playoff game since coming to Indy.

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Peyton isn't the reason they became great. Just like Brady isn't the reason NE won 3 superbowls.
He was a huge factor but

A someone had to choose him as their QB
B someone had to aquire WR's,Te's,Olinemen, a offensive cordinator who would realize what he had in Peyton and build the perfect system around him and his talent.

Anyone that thinks Peyton becomes an all time great QB regardless of what team he is drafted by/plays for his smoking some seriously strong weed.

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You can say that all you want but bad organizations seem to get turned around real quick when they get lucky enough to find a franchise QB. I guess Jim Mora must have been a developmental genius.

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Every QB drafted in the top 3 is a franchise qb.

If Jake Plummer is drafted by Bill Walsh instead of Buddy Ryan or whoever it was that drafted him....who knows how much better of a career he has or doesn't has.
Or better yet..if Mike Shanahan gets Mike Vick instead of Griese/bubby/Plummer etc

It makes ALL the difference. A Qb has to have the tools and talents,smart,drive etc...but you can't fit a square peg into a round hole no matter how hard u try.