$600 PLO Balls Deep

[Eiretree]

I dont think its as easy a fold as some people are suggesting. Villan could be easily have a straight plus lower flush draw here o a hand like 6 7 plus a straight/flush draw. Given the fact that we have position I might call the turn and re-evaluate the river but I dont disagree with a fold either. It depends a lot on what you think villan is capable of on the river and on how aggressive he plays draws on he flop.

[AjiNoMo]

Reraise hoping he misclicks the 'fold' button.

[swope]

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I dont think its as easy a fold as some people are suggesting.

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I dont agree.

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Villan could be easily have a straight plus lower flush draw here o a hand like 6 7 plus a straight/flush draw.

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The board pairs, villian bets 222$ at it, and you think hes on a draw? Unless villian has gone broke every other hand before this, there is no reason to believe hes a complete idiot or has some fiscal deathwish.

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Given the fact that we have position I might call the turn and re-evaluate the river but I dont disagree with a fold either. It depends a lot on what you think villan is capable of on the river and on how aggressive he plays draws on he flop.

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I dont mean to sound harsh but this isnt holdem, and if you dont give people some credit for the hands they represent, you will be broke, fast.

There is almost zero chance he didnt flop a set of 7's or 6's judging from the flop bet, and even if hes soooooper loose you can safely put him on A7xx or A6xx, where x is a kicker thats almost statistically certain to beat the piss out of anything hero has.

Hero realistically has 5 outs (providing villian has a set of 6's or 7's, and has 3 outs if villian flopped TTP etc). If he makes his flush, its even harder to get away from the inevitable bet on the river.

Folding is the right play.

[Eiretree]

Im not saying its not a fold, in this spot without a read I would probably lean toward a fold and if I was out of position or this were a full ring game I wouldnt give it a seconds thought however given that we are playing short handed with position I dont think is an auto fold and deserves some thought and I dont think that you can say that there is zero chance hero's draw is live. Also I think many of the posters reason for folding is wrong.

[swope]

the bottom line as i see it is where and how one chooses to risk ones money.

even if hero *is* drawing live, i dont see equity in not folding. the world doesnt end if he folds the best hand. in fact, it encourages villain to tighten the noose a bit and play that super aggro BS again and again until he walks straight into the nuts and gets felted.

its my experience that in PLO, the way to win the war is to bleed fools like villain when you have them where you want them, instead of risking half (or all of) your stack on a hugely improbable draw that you would *never* call down on someone you knew was competent.

even morons catch hands, and one of the hallmarks of someone new to PLO is the inability to get the hell out of the way when youre at risk because you know someone is an absolute [censored] player. position + reads mean exactly nothing on this board compared to the stark reality it represents the vast majority of times.

the only reason to call here is if you need to dump some cash for tax reasons as i see it, or of course for meta game.

[luckychewy]

i don't know too many advanced things about omaha, but i would consider this a very basic and trivial fold. i mean, u are drawing to flush outs which are likely tainted and 2 3's which may be tainted and lastly you have only 3 outs to the nuts.

[MadScientist]

He's also betting less than the full pot. It feels like he hasn't filled up.
The key is Eagles' read that he is too loose pf and goes too far postflop.
I still think the worst cards for you on the river are straight cards. If he bets pot then, I would prolly fold.
If call turn, then def call any heart river or if you fill up.
The worst is like a Q offsuit. It would be hard to tell then if he was bluffing without having been in these spots with him before.
Having said that, pot is laying 2:5 on the turn, so counting hearts, eights, threes, you have like 13 outs, tainted, but you are good right now against a double barrelled semi-bluff which we have all done. So given implied odds, just calling trying to hit those is good.

[Stinger88]

Does anybody like a repot on the flop? Seems to me like it would make it a very tough call/push for your opponent even if he has 777.