HELP !!!! How do people call this ????

[swede554]

Maybe he thought you were bluffing w/ a flush or a straigth draw, or maybe he just one of those players that can't fold AK ever. But who cares why he called, you want him to call with AK there. Get over it and load another tourney. (and yeah both hands were played poorly on your part for reasons already mentioned.)

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I appreciate the response, honestly.
How would you have played the second hand differently ?

[FortunaMaximus]

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And I still haven't gotten a resonable opinion as to why I was called in the second situation, other than I played the hand badly, yet I was able to get all the money in as a substaintial favorite post flop, go figure.
You think villian put me on a stone bluff ?

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Naw. They never fold AK.

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Pot is 1300, J89 flop, non suited in red, I push all in for 4400.

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And then there was the miracle outside cahce that a worse hand would call for whatever reason, such as an underpair or AK, as was the case.

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other than I played the hand badly, yet I was able to get all the money in as a substaintial favorite post flop, go figure.

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Do you see the inherent flaw in your thought processes there? Posters here don't flame you because you smell funny, they flame you because you made a mistake that's glaringly obvious to more than one of them.

And when that happens 'round these parts, which side do you think generally is correct here?

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And I still haven't gotten a resonable opinion as to why I was called in the second situation, other than I played the hand badly, yet I was able to get all the money in as a substaintial favorite post flop, go figure.
You think villian put me on a stone bluff ?

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Naw. They never fold AK.

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Pot is 1300, J89 flop, non suited in red, I push all in for 4400.

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And then there was the miracle outside cahce that a worse hand would call for whatever reason, such as an underpair or AK, as was the case.

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other than I played the hand badly, yet I was able to get all the money in as a substaintial favorite post flop, go figure.

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Do you see the inherent flaw in your thought processes there? Posters here don't flame you because you smell funny, they flame you because you made a mistake that's glaringly obvious to more than one of them.

And when that happens 'round these parts, which side do you think generally is correct here?

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Ok, I orginally started this thread here as to why I was called in these situations. Case #1 is pretty much a gimmie, closed.
Case #2, I recieved very few responses, if any, to the original question.
But now, I would like to go off on this tanget and premise that I played the hand badly.
Basic poker theory states that one should strive to play close to the center as possible, while trying to induce your opponents to playing as far from center as possible. In otherwords, get your money in as a favorite while trying to get the other guy to call when he's a dog.
This was accomplished here and I guess I should end this thread here and now since in reality, I shouldn't be complaining, other than about the end result.
But now, I'd like to pose a second question as to why , in detail, these hands were played badly, other than fold QJ and JT suited preflop. Which I stated my reasons why I went with the hands.

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if youd read the earlier responses, you might get an idea why you played them badly...

[doh742]

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1. The correct way to play top pair with a straight draw is NOT TO OVERBET the pot by a factor of 4. A pot sized bet should be enough to get the player to fold if they are going to. If they don't, you know that you are up against something (against most players) or at least some kind of draw to something better than what you hold. If you bet the pot, you can check the king and get away if you need too. The hand would make sense at that point, called pot sized bet with ace king...loose, but fits.

2. As to how does someone call this: First off an overbet means one of two things, either you have the nuts, or you have nothing at all (in most cases). If he doesn't believe you have the straight, which you didn't, then calling makes sense. He may have you beat, and if he doesn't he has a draw.
Second, you have to think about how your bet appears. Its donkish, leaves you no outs and is not necessary in that spot.

Check/calling preflop, and then overbetting the flop, smells like a steal to me. And top pair with a 10 kicker and a straight draw is not massive overbet material in my book.

Instead of screaming about how the "bad" player got lucky on you, you should be thinking about why in the name of God you decided to fire both barrells with that ammo in them.

Theres a bigger problem here trapped. And a friendly word of advice, it doesn't sound like you are ready to play 168 dollar buyin tourneys. This is really easy to see, bad bet, bad call.

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1. The correct way to play top pair with a straight draw is NOT TO OVERBET the pot by a factor of 4. A pot sized bet should be enough to get the player to fold if they are going to. If they don't, you know that you are up against something (against most players) or at least some kind of draw to something better than what you hold. If you bet the pot, you can check the king and get away if you need too. The hand would make sense at that point, called pot sized bet with ace king...loose, but fits.

2. As to how does someone call this: First off an overbet means one of two things, either you have the nuts, or you have nothing at all (in most cases). If he doesn't believe you have the straight, which you didn't, then calling makes sense. He may have you beat, and if he doesn't he has a draw.
Second, you have to think about how your bet appears. Its donkish, leaves you no outs and is not necessary in that spot.

Check/calling preflop, and then overbetting the flop, smells like a steal to me. And top pair with a 10 kicker and a straight draw is not massive overbet material in my book.

Instead of screaming about how the "bad" player got lucky on you, you should be thinking about why in the name of God you decided to fire both barrells with that ammo in them.

Theres a bigger problem here trapped. And a friendly word of advice, it doesn't sound like you are ready to play 168 dollar buyin tourneys. This is really easy to see, bad bet, bad call.

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Yeah, guess I'll stick to the $215 buy in tourneys, like the one I 3-way chopped in March for over 100 grand on Stars (close to 6000 entrants) and my 3rd place on FT as Doyle_Ungar for over $26,000, all as a part time player

[RichC.]

dude, havent read all the replies but in your 2nd hand, that clearly appears to be a stop'n'go just by your calling OOP with a short stack. if the villian in that hand has any sense what so ever, thats is almost an instacall with AK and a few other drawing hands.

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Yeah, guess I'll stick to the $215 buy in tourneys, like the one I 3-way chopped in March for over 100 grand on Stars (close to 6000 entrants) and my 3rd place on FT as Doyle_Ungar for over $26,000, all as a part time player

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so youre defending your actions by luckboxing your way through 2 big tourneys? clearly by playing hands that way you lack fundamental skills. youre in the stage i used to be. iuse to complain about beats and blame everything on other players. then i got past that stage and im a better player for it.

hows it feel to be a bad player yet make thru those fields while many really good players havent even been able to go deep in it? luck-box.

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Yeah, guess I'll stick to the $215 buy in tourneys, like the one I 3-way chopped in March for over 100 grand on Stars (close to 6000 entrants) and my 3rd place on FT as Doyle_Ungar for over $26,000, all as a part time player

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so youre defending your actions by luckboxing your way through 2 big tourneys? clearly by playing hands that way you lack fundamental skills. youre in the stage i used to be. iuse to complain about beats and blame everything on other players. then i got past that stage and im a better player for it.

hows it feel to be a bad player yet make thru those fields while many really good players havent even been able to go deep in it? luck-box.

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Why all the hatred and aynamosity !??!
Luck box ?
I'm glad you can make that assumption since I can guarantee you have probably never seen me play in that tourney. If you did, you would know that in 9+ hours I laid only ONE bad beat all tourney, and that was what I presumed to be a steal from a shorter stack (half) in the cuttoff when my KQ sucked out his AK.
It so halarious that most of you whorship guys like Shaundeeb and Bax who play around the clock, and constant multi-tabling, make unorthodox plays like the one I did.
Fact of the matter that CAN'T be disputed was I got someone to CALL my overbet as a 3 to 1 dog, and you guys are essentially mocking me and making false assumptions on this ONE particular hand. I'm sure you're the same ones that play aces the same way, mini raises, UTG limps, etc etc, then B*tch and maon when someone catches a low set or hits the board hard and you can't get away from it.