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Old 12-18-2006, 09:52 PM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

I dislike your flop bet. At an aggressive table, CO is going to bet the flop for you very often. After all, it's only him against the blinds.

The turn seems like a standard check. Hopefully I'm not missing anything.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:16 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

I like a turn bet here.

If neither of them has a K that is a scary card for them also and folds are likely.

If one of them has the K they are raising here (most likely), and you'll have odds to draw at the flush and fold the river UI.

I like the flop bet also. With TP in an unraised pot and the nut flush draw I think there's an edge that should be pushed here.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:56 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

You basically never want anyone to fold any hand that would ever fold on the turn (same goes for the flop pretty much, which is why I said I didn't like the bet there either).
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Old 12-18-2006, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

Miles, can you elaborate a bit on that sentence?

I think I get what you're saying, but am not really sure, as my brain isn't comprehending it very well.

Thanks.
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Old 12-19-2006, 12:19 AM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

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You basically never want anyone to fold any hand that would ever fold on the turn (same goes for the flop pretty much, which is why I said I didn't like the bet there either).

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what happened to value? In a "fairly aggressive" game, I don't see anyone betting this flop for you. Not at 1/2 anyway. maybe 30/60. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

FWIW, I would think fairly aggressive to us is passive to you.
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:41 AM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

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You basically never want anyone to fold any hand that would ever fold on the turn (same goes for the flop pretty much, which is why I said I didn't like the bet there either).

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So much value T_T
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Old 12-19-2006, 02:10 AM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

when do you plan on betting this hand then? checkraising the turn?

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I dislike your flop bet. At an aggressive table, CO is going to bet the flop for you very often. After all, it's only him against the blinds.

The turn seems like a standard check. Hopefully I'm not missing anything.

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Old 12-19-2006, 12:58 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

If it gets heads up with CO on the turn, I would check call the turn and either check call the river or bet/fold it (likely just check call after the turn K).

If it goes to that turn 3-way, I would check call again and reevaluate on the river. If it were a low turn card, I would likely check call 3-way once again, and then lead out on the river.

Having the flop check through is so far from a disaster, and it doesn't happen too often with a CO vs. the blinds hand. CO will bet the flop with ATC more than often to make up for any value you miss from them calling with worse hands on a AKx board.
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Old 12-19-2006, 01:00 PM
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Default Re: Top pair, no kicker, bad turn card, small pot

i bet the flop and the turn. and call down from turn if raised.
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