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Old 12-11-2006, 04:48 PM
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I dunno - what can villian have? If he holds the K or possibly the J of [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], then min-raising lets him get away as it pretty well screams A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. since we have position I would either flat call or raise to 1,600 - 1,800. A flat call lets villian lead again on the riv while a larger raise offers good odds with more moolah in the pot. He may push over a larger raise with his stack size. If I'm villian, I'm folding to a min-raise without a set or the K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
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Old 12-11-2006, 04:56 PM
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I dunno - what can villian have? If he holds the K or possibly the J of [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], then min-raising lets him get away as it pretty well screams A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. since we have position I would either flat call or raise to 1,600 - 1,800. A flat call lets villian lead again on the riv while a larger raise offers good odds with more moolah in the pot. He may push over a larger raise with his stack size. If I'm villian, I'm folding to a min-raise without a set or the K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

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What I was thinking before looking at stack sizes. How is a minbet worse than betting 1/2 our stack? IMO it isn't and we give them bad odds to draw at an inside SF draw, we are willing to go broke w/ this hand, we have to try to get them to go broke as well. All options pretty much suck for this. Calling and raising (maybe AI could work) all scream the nuts here.
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Old 12-11-2006, 05:03 PM
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Beachman/AceLubby
I was the small blind.

I was out of position and checked- raised the turn
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Old 12-11-2006, 05:11 PM
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Beachman/AceLubby
I was the small blind.

I was out of position and checked- raised the turn

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Yeah, I missed that. Given that fact, I think I just re-raise AI after his bet. Villian should check almost any river behind if 600 on the turn is a feeler bet. I push as its the only real chance to get doubled up. I expect him to fold like 80% of the time, but that 20% is still better than hoping for a stronger 2nd place hand on the riv that doesn't beat us (pairing the board).

He may have the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or he may call a percieved bluff with decent pot odds. I still don't like a min-raise here.
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Old 12-11-2006, 05:55 PM
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Beachman/AceLubby
I was the small blind.

I was out of position and checked- raised the turn

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I saw that originally, you either play it like you did or you check/shove the turn, but I think you get more from minraising, I don't know though...
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