Can you name an actor who...

[Lazy Meatball]

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Nicolas Cage and before the flames start, here is the reasoning. A movie can be good or bad but it will NEVER be his fault.

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I don't think you understand the theme of this thread. It's not whether an actor had a bad performance, it's whether he was in a bad movie. So Nicholas Cage loses out for Gone in 60 Seconds and Conair, I think we can agree on this.

Now as a secondary argument, I think Nicholas Cage is terrible in almost everything he does. You obviously like him, let's leave it at that.


PS. More strikes against Mel Gibson, Conspiracy Theory was awful, and personally I don't like the Patriot, but that one's more debateable.


I like this game, it's a great way for me point out all the things I don't like.

[Kamakaze22]

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Nicolas Cage and before the flames start, here is the reasoning. A movie can be good or bad but it will NEVER be his fault.

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I don't think you understand the theme of this thread. It's not whether an actor had a bad performance, it's whether he was in a bad movie. So Nicholas Cage loses out for Gone in 60 Seconds and Conair, I think we can agree on this.

Now as a secondary argument, I think Nicholas Cage is terrible in almost everything he does. You obviously like him, let's leave it at that.

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I do understand and I acknowledge I do have a problem. I don't know why I like Nicolas Cage I just do. For some reason he seems to be his own genre like comedy, horror, drama, Nicolas Cage moive, romance, period piece...you get the idea. Anyway, aside from Death To Smoochy (which I enjoyed alot) my vote goes to Edward Norton.

Justin

[Lazy Meatball]

on Edward Norton, even if you throw out Death to Smootchy (which you really can't) That DeNiro movie "The Score" had glaring holes in it, and I'll admit I know nothing about "Keeping the Faith" but I'm highly skeptical of Ben Stiller romantic comedies with religion as a theme.

[Kamakaze22]

I never saw the Score but I had forgotten about it. I liked Keeping The Faith but I think it was mainly for Edward Norton. This is an impossible task. Good and bad are both too subjective. We need a definite meaning for the two and then make this a poll.

[$DEADSEXE$]

Steve McQueen?

you really have to find a young actor who died quite early in his career
If youve done more than 10-12 films..one of them will be viewed as "bad" in most peoples eyes.

[Lazy Meatball]

I thought about Steve McQueen, but I don't know enough about his work in the fifties, he was in about 10 films unrecognizeable to anyone under 45. The only one I've heard of was "The Blob," was that any good?

[SammyKid11]

This is a really fun topic...but I have to agree with an above poster and say that it's far too vague to have any real meaning. TONS of the movies that have been listed (Day After Tomorrow, ConAir, Gone in 60 Seconds all come to mind), while they're nowhere near Oscar contention, are not what I would call "bad" movies. They're movies that were never INTENDED to be serious films with stellar writing, acting, directing. They're movies that were intended to be cheap thrills, and they in one way or another accomplished those goals.

For me, a bad movie is one that goes for something yet fails MISERABLY at it (I tend to be a fairly lax judge of films...so for me, when a movie only somewhat misses its mark, a la "Signs," I call that movie Mediocre, not BAD) . "Alexander" and "Timeline" both come to mind as movies that TOTALLY miss what they were aiming for, and therefore are what I'd call BAD movies.

A lot of what you guys are naming (Payback, Devil's Advocate, Dogma, The Cable Guy - though I'm not a fan, Fallen, Air Force One, What Women Want, A River Runs Through It, Armageddon, Legends of the Fall, The Negotiator, Vanilla Sky, Meet The Parents)...I don't find these to be "bad" movies. Maybe many of them are movies some of you didn't enjoy...and maybe many of them are movies that didn't QUITE hit what they were aiming at...but they aren't movies that objectively SUCK...they're movies that for many people are enjoyable, for many people aren't enjoyable, and for many people are meh.

BAD movies are Battlefield Earth, Gigli, Down To You, Spy Kids, Virtuosity, She-Devil, War of the Worlds, Turner & Hooch, Blues Brothers 2000, etc. These are movies that compLETELY missed what they were going for.

If you're looking for an actor that's never been in an average, mediocre, run-of-the-mill, ho-hum film...that search will be in vain once any actor has made more than 10 real movies. But if you're looking for actors that have never made any real STINKERS, I think they're out there (and maybe some of them have been named already).

Am I willing to think very hard about it at the moment? No. But I think they exist...I just think the definition of "bad" movies has to be closed down a little so as not to include every movie that anyone here didn't personally enjoy.

[Kamakaze22]

With this in mind I nominate Bruce Campbell. I don't believe he's ever been in a movie that wasn't what it was trying to be.

[phiphika1453]

I'm not old enough to know if a lot of these were bad or not.

Haven't seen DragonHeart but I dont remember any noise over it.

But Sean Connery is definitly one of my favorite actors. Here is his filmography form imdb.

# James Bond 007: From Russia with Love (2005) (VG) (voice) .... James Bond 007
# The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (2003) .... Allan Quatermain
... aka LXG (USA: promotional abbreviation)
... aka Liga der außergewöhnlichen Gentlemen, Die (Germany)
... aka The League (USA: promotional title)
# Finding Forrester (2000) .... William Forrester

# "Sonic Underground"
- Flying Fortress: Chaos Emerald Crisis Part 1 (????) TV Episode (voice) .... Great Grandfather Athair
- New Echidna in Town: Chaos Emerald Crisis Part 3 (????) TV Episode (voice) .... Great Grandfather Athair
- No Hedgehog Is an Island: Chaos Emerald Crisis Part 2 (????) TV Episode (voice) .... Great Grandfather Athair
# Entrapment (1999) .... Robert MacDougal
... aka Verlockende Falle (Germany)
# Playing by Heart (1998) .... Paul
# The Avengers (1998) .... Sir August de Wynter
# The Rock (1996) .... John Patrick Mason
# Dragonheart (1996) (voice) .... Draco
# First Knight (1995) .... King Arthur
# Just Cause (1995) .... Paul Armstrong
# A Good Man in Africa (1994) .... Dr. Alex Murray
# Rising Sun (1993) .... Capt. John Connor
# "James Bond Jr." (1991) TV Series (voice) .... James Bond 007 (1992)
# Medicine Man (1992) .... Dr. Robert Campbell
... aka The Last Days of Eden
# Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (1991) (uncredited) .... King Richard
# Highlander II: The Quickening (1991) .... Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez
... aka Highlander II: The Renegade Version (UK: director's cut) (USA: video title (director's cut))
... aka Highlander - Le retour (France)
... aka Highlander 2 (Argentina)
# The Russia House (1990) .... Bartholomew 'Barley' Scott Blair
# The Hunt for Red October (1990) .... Captain Marko Ramius

# Family Business (1989) .... Jessie McMullen
# Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989) .... Professor Henry Jones
# The Presidio (1988) .... Lt. Col. Alan Caldwell
... aka The Presidio: The Scene of the Crime (UK)
# The Untouchables (1987) .... Jim Malone
# Name der Rose, Der (1986) .... William of Baskerville
... aka Nom de la rose, Le (France)
... aka Nome della rosa, Il (Italy)
... aka The Name of the Rose (USA)
# Highlander (1986) .... Juan Sanchez Villa-Lobos Ramirez
# Sword of the Valiant: The Legend of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (1984) .... The Green Knight
... aka Sword of the Valiant (USA: video box title)
... aka Sword of the Valiant: The Legend of Gawain and the Green Knight
# Never Say Never Again (1983) .... James Bond
... aka James Bond 007 - Sag niemals nie (West Germany)
# Wrong Is Right (1982) .... Patrick Hale
... aka The Man with the Deadly Lens
# Five Days One Summer (1982) .... Douglas Meredith
# Time Bandits (1981) .... King Agamemnon/Fireman
# Outland (1981) .... O'Niel

# Cuba (1979) .... Maj. Robert Dapes
# Meteor (1979) .... Dr. Paul Bradley
# The First Great Train Robbery (1979) .... Edward Pierce/John Simms/Geoffrey
... aka The Great Train Robbery (USA)
# A Bridge Too Far (1977) .... Maj. Gen. Roy Urquhart
# The Next Man (1976) .... Khalil Abdul-Muhsen
... aka Double Hit
... aka The Arab Conspiracy
# Robin and Marian (1976) .... Robin Hood
# The Man Who Would Be King (1975) .... Daniel Dravot
... aka Rudyard Kipling's The Man Who Would Be King (USA: complete title)
# The Wind and the Lion (1975) .... Mulay Achmed Mohammed el-Raisuli the Magnificent
# Ransom (1975) .... Nils Tahlvik
... aka The Terrorists (USA)
# Murder on the Orient Express (1974) .... Colonel Arbuthnot
# Zardoz (1974) .... Zed
# The Offence (1973) .... Detective Sergeant Johnson
... aka Something Like the Truth
... aka The Offense (UK)
# Diamonds Are Forever (1971) .... James Bond
... aka Ian Fleming's Diamonds Are Forever (USA: complete title)
# The Anderson Tapes (1971) .... John Anderson
# Krasnaya palatka (1971) .... Roald Amundsen
... aka Tenda rossa, La (Italy)
... aka The Red Tent (USA)
... aka Tsiteli karavi (Soviet Union: Georgian title)
# The Molly Maguires (1970) .... Jack Kehoe

# Male of the Species (1969) (TV) .... McNeill
# Shalako (1968) .... Moses Zebulon 'Shalako' Carlin
... aka Man nennt mich Shalako (West Germany)
# You Only Live Twice (1967) .... James Bond
... aka Ian Fleming's You Only Live Twice (USA: complete title)
# A Fine Madness (1966) .... Samson Shillitoe
# Thunderball (1965) .... James Bond
... aka Ian Fleming's Thunderball (UK: complete title)
# The Hill (1965) .... Trooper Joe Roberts
# Goldfinger (1964) .... James Bond
... aka Ian Fleming's Goldfinger
# Woman of Straw (1964) .... Anthony Richmond
# Marnie (1964) .... Mark Rutland
# From Russia with Love (1963) .... James Bond
... aka Ian Fleming's 'From Russia with Love' (UK: complete title)
# Dr. No (1962) .... James Bond
... aka Ian Fleming's Dr. No (UK: complete title)
# The Longest Day (1962) .... Pvt. Flanagan
# Anna Karenina (1961/II) (TV) .... Wronski
# Macbeth (1961) (TV) .... Macbeth
# On the Fiddle (1961) .... Pedlar Pascoe
... aka Operation Snafu (USA)
... aka Operation War Head (USA: reissue title)
# "Adventure Story" (1961) TV Series .... Alexander
# The Frightened City (1961) .... Paddy Damion
# Without the Grail (1960) (TV) .... Innes Corrie
# Colombe (1960) (TV) .... Julien
# "An Age of Kings" (1960) (mini) TV Series .... Hotspur

# The Crucible (1959) (TV) .... John Proctor
# Tarzan's Greatest Adventure (1959) .... O'Bannion
# The Square Ring (1959) (TV) .... Rick Martell
# Darby O'Gill and the Little People (1959) .... Michael McBride
... aka The Little People (USA)
# Women in Love (1958) (TV) .... Jewish Pianist/Nazi War Criminal
# Another Time, Another Place (1958) .... Mark Trevor
# Time Lock (1957) .... Welder #2
# Anna Christie (1957) (TV) .... Mat Burke
# Action of the Tiger (1957) .... Mike
# Hell Drivers (1957) .... Johnny Kates
... aka Hard Drivers
# "The Jack Benny Program"
... aka The Jack Benny Show
- Jack Hires Opera Singer in Rome (1957) TV Episode .... Porter
# No Road Back (1957) .... Spike
# "Dixon of Dock Green"
- Ladies of the Manor (1956) TV Episode .... Joe Brasted
# "Sailor of Fortune"
- The Crescent and the Star (????) TV Episode
# Lilacs in the Spring (1955) (uncredited) .... Undetermined Role
... aka Let's Make Up (USA)

[Lazy Meatball]

Sammy,

I appreciate your point and agree this discussion is never going to get anywhere with out some objective criteria to guide us by.

For me a movie is still bad even if it accomplishes what it set out to achieve, if it's goal in the first place was a bad movie.