Dealing with obvious colusion at the table?

[grouchie]

If you think it's very obvious, Do not wait a few hours to actually tell someone. Point it out right away so that they can be observed, or so they can check the tape and watch for patterns when they are in pots together.

Also, they can't be that good of a team if they were only up like 2 buy-ins... or is Seneca 2/5 still capped at 200?

[TomBrooks]

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Do not wait a few hours to actually tell someone.

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[shag]

yea tell someone right away and if you aren't going to do that or they don't do something about it don't play in the game.

[cuserounder]

Wait a couple hands after you notice, get up as if you're going to the bathroom and go tell the floor and ask him to keep an eye on the game. Say, "I'm on table X and the 3, 4, and 8 seats look like they're colluding. They are raising people out of pots and checking down - and sharing chips."

The floor should then swing by and keep an eye on the game, and if he sees it he will say something - but his mere presence may prevent them from doing it.

If he doesn't resolve it and it continues, find a poker room with a competent staff.

[FrankStallone]

The floor is part of the problem in a lot of cardrooms. The floor people at certain places, will just filter you into the games with four people playing together, then they might get a cut from the other theifs.
As for "checking the tape" this is a joke. If you think there is collusion at the 2-5 table and ask to have the tape looked over you will be laughed at. Maybee they might do it for the higher games, but I have asked to check the tape twice, and each time I was told they couldn't. It's to the point where the people cheating know you can't do anything but move to another table. They feel pretty secure stealing your money..
The reason so many people will try to cheat is the lack fear they have of being caught. Because the floor are friends with these guys, they see them everyday, they interact with them. Soon, you as the tourist become the enemy, and there new found friends they look after. In turn the floor gets a cut, or a good tip. IF there is no way to catch the cheats, or the floor, your screwed. good luck checking the tape, at best you will be told no. You might even get laughed at.
I only play certain games in AC now. although I have become pretty good at sniffing out cheats, the more you know, the less you want to play. it's sad, almost as sad, as the life of a poker cheat.

[pig4bill]

Cheating happens. Yesterday, a guy next to me found an obvious mark on an ace. He'd seen the mark on an earlier hand from the other end of the table. When he got dealt the card, he told the dealer. Floor switched decks but seemed unconcerned.

[MrFizzbin]

If the casino does nothing find out the government entity that is responsible for that casino and report the casino. Then follow up. There are casinos that get their rooms shut down.

[Teetster]

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The floor is part of the problem in a lot of cardrooms. The floor people at certain places, will just filter you into the games with four people playing together, then they might get a cut from the other theifs.
As for "checking the tape" this is a joke. If you think there is collusion at the 2-5 table and ask to have the tape looked over you will be laughed at. Maybee they might do it for the higher games, but I have asked to check the tape twice, and each time I was told they couldn't. It's to the point where the people cheating know you can't do anything but move to another table. They feel pretty secure stealing your money..
The reason so many people will try to cheat is the lack fear they have of being caught. Because the floor are friends with these guys, they see them everyday, they interact with them. Soon, you as the tourist become the enemy, and there new found friends they look after. In turn the floor gets a cut, or a good tip. IF there is no way to catch the cheats, or the floor, your screwed. good luck checking the tape, at best you will be told no. You might even get laughed at.
I only play certain games in AC now. although I have become pretty good at sniffing out cheats, the more you know, the less you want to play. it's sad, almost as sad, as the life of a poker cheat.

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What you're saying is why I waited so long to do anything. These 3 guys are always in the room. I've been there probably 2 dozen times in the past couple months. I've always seen them, every time. They know every dealer, every floor person.

I got the feeling that had I said something nothing would be done because these guys were friends with everyone there.

Plus they kept saying they were on the list for 5/10 and were just waiting, so I figured it wouldn't be long and they were gone. Well, it turned out to be over 2 hours. Next time I'll just ask for a table change. It was stupid to just hang out waiting.

Thanks for the advice everyone,

Brian

[Bilgefisher]

Brian,
I think just leaving the table is the wrong answer. These people are regulars and it continues, I agree with others, report to management. if they fail to do anything, report them to the gaming commission. The main reason that this stuff continues is because no one is willing to call them out.

[Pscam10]

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I agree with others, report to management. if they fail to do anything, report them to the gaming commission. The main reason that this stuff continues is because no one is willing to call them out.

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