Question- when do you lead into a raiser?

[mikechops]

I usually do it if I have a monster and the flop likely hit him. Set or two-pair on an A high board or I flopped a broadway straight ect. I'm looking to get raised here.

If I think the flop missed him and it missed me too, I'll sometimes do it.

[carnivalhobo]

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I usually do it if I have a monster and the flop likely hit him. Set or two-pair on an A high board or I flopped a broadway straight ect. I'm looking to get raised here.

If I think the flop missed him and it missed me too, I'll sometimes do it.

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In situation one, wont he bet his monster as well as the off chance he has air, you get a bet from that. In the second example, why not let his cbet and then steal that too?

[Cue-Ball 66]

You lead because you want him to raise and pot comitt himself. That way you have a chance to take an entire stack. It by far offsets the chance you'll win one psb on the flop.

[carnivalhobo]

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You lead because you want him to raise and pot comitt himself. That way you have a chance to take an entire stack. It by far offsets the chance you'll win one psb on the flop.

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so you are saying that if i flop a set in a raise pot against a guy with AA and c/r flop and lead turn i dont get his stack, but if i b/3bai i do? Thats nonsense.

[Cue-Ball 66]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. More so with a hand like AQ or AK, where he flop top pair A-kicker.

[carnivalhobo]

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Yes, that's what I'm saying. More so with a hand like AQ or AK, where he flop top pair A-kicker.

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so why ever b/3b a draw? shouldnt we always c/r and lead turn since people fold TPTK to this move every time?

[Cue-Ball 66]

b/3b a draw so your hand's disguised when you have a monster, and plus you usually b/3b monster draws where you're ahead or slightly behind anyway.

I'm not saying people fold TPTK to c/r cont turn every time, I'm just saying this line makes the pot smaller and easier to get away from.

P.S. I don't hate the c/r cont line, it's not bad at all. Just stating the pros and cons of the b/3b.

[jjpregler]

It depends on relative position and whether the player typically makes a c-bet or if he checks. If he is going to check, then I want to make sure that I bet. If I am in good relative position, there are more players in the pot, and he will make a c-bet, I will check and let him hang himself ( and maybe a caller in a multi way pot), then I base my raise on the texture of the board. If you lead out, you may lose this money.

The times I will lead out are when I have a mediocre hand to see where I am at. This will work unless the PF raiser will raise on a bluff too often. If most of the times he play he raises only when he has a hand, folds when he misses or calls his mediocre or draws, then it is good to bet out.

[bilbo-san]

One spot where I see a ton of players check, but you should almost always lead, is when you flop a set on a drawy flop, and the pot is 3 or 4-way. ESPECIALLY 4-way.

The PFR just is very often not going to bet unless he has a good draw or a good pair here so checking is terrible because it sucks to have a flop like that get checked around.

[mikechops]

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I usually do it if I have a monster and the flop likely hit him. Set or two-pair on an A high board or I flopped a broadway straight ect. I'm looking to get raised here.

If I think the flop missed him and it missed me too, I'll sometimes do it.

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In situation one, wont he bet his monster as well as the off chance he has air, you get a bet from that. In the second example, why not let his cbet and then steal that too?

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Is a TPGK on an A high board a monster? I guess what I'm trying to do is represent a weak Ace in a kind of "I got an ace and I don't think you have one Mr PFRer" way. I think leading induces a raise here and doesn't scare a lone Ace nearly as much as a c/r.

For the 2nd example (raggy board, I missed and think he did too) I don't like a c/r. When it works you make more but if you run into an overpair, it can cost up to 4 times as much. I'm really looking to steal the pot cheaply for maybe 1/2- 2/3 PSB